Super Zix II preperation
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March 28, 2010, 11:01 PM HEllo everyone, Last week I have received my superZixII ingredients. Does anyone have any preperation recommendations for it. Something that works better for them that I could add in the mix or even replace?
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[ # 1 ] March 29, 2010, 04:39 PM Hey, Trelos! I’m going to attempt to answer your question in a round-about way, and this was discussed a lot several years ago. There are some forums that have a lot of good threads about Zix, and there are some forums in which all of the GOOD threads on Zix have mysteriously disappeared -leaving only the threads in which it looked like the creatures in the bar scene from Star Wars came out of the woodwork, took over, and started posting negative things without much substance. [This is very similar to what happened with laser therapy also a couple of years ago].
Had all of the good threads remained, you would have been able to observe threads in which there was a lot of discussion on adding things to Zix. Well, I could be wrong, but this is what I -OverMachoGrande- took away from all of it… the people that added things to Zix and played around with the formula are the same ones that didn’t stick with it long enough to know whether it worked or not. People added two or three times the zinc (which didn’t make sense because there is already left over zinc in the bottom anyway), put in caffeine, melatonin, etc., and it was the same story every time. They’d drop it. We ALL do it… we go through a phase in which we try the “Kitchen Sink” approach –and it NEVER works. How do I know? Show me a veteran with success that’s been doing 20 different things that includes a multitude of different [competing] topicals, etc. You’ll find that they are hard to find! I think most people that added things to Zix are kind of in that same mindset in which they are quick to add and remove things, and they all lose perspective on how long we have to use things to see results. Here is what I THINK is 100% truth (and Joe can correct me if I’m wrong): every single user that has had success with zix and has used it long term sticks with one formulation (SuperZix II mostly now) with very little deviation from the ingredients -mostly just tweaking the alcohol or polysorbate 80 rations. I don’t know one single long term user off hand that adds other things -so that should tell you something! I guess the answer is “We don’t really know because the type of people that experiment around with ingredients are the same ones that quit before benefits would be realized in the first place.” The ingredients of Zix from what we’ve been able to determine do seem to “behave” when mixed with others –meaning they don’t seem to change their chemical composition and no longer do what they are supposed to do- but we can’t be sure of everything that gets added. Of course, if people never played with the formulation in the first place, we’d still be at the original Zix and SuperZix II wouldn’t have been created –and we do want to figure out how to add bayberry to it as well. Don’t let that negate everything that I just said, though! Lol… I guess the main point is that so far, nothing has shown us that anything other than the current ingredients is any more effective. That’s what I’ve gathered from “the masses” that have been using zix –of which I am a part of. -O.M.G. |
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[ # 3 ] March 29, 2010, 07:19 PM Yea I completely agree with OMG. I think the track record shows it’s best to leave the formula alone. |
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[ # 4 ] March 29, 2010, 08:12 PM Gubter87… Oh yeah, I definitely got some regrowth. I’ve been using if for 2 1/3 years now, and I say I got back maybe close to a year and a half to two years back from the date I started –which works out to be about to where I was in early-to-mid 2006. The most beneficial thing, though, is the fact that all of my existing hairs radically thickened. I really can’t tell the difference between the thinner hairs in the MPB zone and the thicker ones on the back and sides, and I honestly thought there WAS no difference until I saw on a microscope. To the human eye, though, they appear to be very similar. …And yes, maybe most importantly, it seems as if the hair loss stopped in it’s tracks –and this is after years of aggressive temple regression. HOWEVER… this is what always SCARES ME, and why I say the word “seems”. In the hair loss world, when a successful products results are charted out, you always see something like this:
For whatever reason –perhaps the nature of the hair loss changes, perhaps you grow more tolerant to other treatments, etc.- the hair count keeps going down! Again, that’s just what you see in studies, and that’s not reflective of my laser helmet or current regimen… that graph is just to illustrate the point. So, have I found the tweak that makes a new line on the graph that has never been seen? …One that not only goes up, but levels out at the peak and keeps straight without losing anymore hair?? I can’t say for sure! I’d certainly like to think so –what I’ve experienced so far shows that- because after all this time( two and a freaking third years!) I can’t see that it’s gotten one bit worse at all, and it seems like it’s STILL GETTING BETTER even after all this time (I try to “tune out” the transplant, but that is difficult and I don’t know for sure). I’ll tell you this… I’m at my PEAK right now. My hair is great after 2 1/3 years of laser therapy, and my transplant has long since grown in and is at it’s fullest. So… I’ll be able to EASILY spot if any hair loss is still occurring before this time next year. I hope it won’t happen, and I’m pretty confident that it WON’T –and for all I know, the real benefits of laser therapy might not happen until YEARS down the road (Dr. Maricle has stated that a fair percentage of people still continue to see results after year FIVE), but man… when you’ve been fighting hair loss for over a decade and you keep seeing graphs like that up above, you can’t help but always be a little scared of the unknown! Lol… Well, five years from now… this site will still be here, so you guys will be there with me and we’ll all know! …but now you know why I’m *always* going to be open for trying new things, searching for new treatments that show promise, and fighting as hard as I can -and using that damn helmet until the day I die. I know the true nature of the hair loss beast. -O.M.G. |
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[ # 5 ] March 29, 2010, 08:24 PM John it’s amazing how you can so quickly pop out those cool graphics. |
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[ # 6 ] March 29, 2010, 08:56 PM Quickly?! That graphic took six weeks of night schooling at the local learning annex, $3000 worth of computer software, and 18 hours of straight work for me to finish. Yeah, lol… it took about three minutes. When you’ve been screwing around with graphics for a few years, this stuff starts getting really easy after a while! If you don’t know how to do something, you just google how to do it and there you go. So, I encourage EVERYONE to start messing around with this stuff if you never have before… before you know it, you will develope a very powerful skill! Plain and simple… I don’t think I could have gotten my point accross up there without that graphic. -O.M.G. |
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[ # 7 ] March 29, 2010, 09:11 PM Completely agree…“a picture is worth a thousand words”. |
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[ # 8 ] March 29, 2010, 09:21 PM Just wondering if people with results from Super Zix experienced any side effects like with Fin, SP, Beta Sitosterol? Little underaction in the Mr. Happy department. My own personal experience has been that anything that has an effect on hairloss(besides RU which the derivative Nilutamide does) usually makes its way into the bloodstream. |
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[ # 9 ] March 29, 2010, 09:52 PM I absolutely DID with propecia, and I absolutely DO NOT with Zix or SuperZix II -zip, zero, nada. You can take that however you want -and I should say that I tried propecia at the longest period for right about a year, and I got zero results with it, but I feel that Zix definitely slowed down my loss and improved my hair quality. Also, I tried topical Flutamide and topical Finasteride from Sinere, and I could *barely* feel some side effects with the topical fin (and I honestly can’t remember with the Flutamide) -to the point where I was debating whether or not it was actually in my head or not. Not like it was when I took it orally by any means, but I still noticed it. Take all of that for what it’s worth. Is that saying that Zix has less DHT blocking properties, or is it saying it’s going more along the route of natural DHT inhibition, or is it saying it’s just not behaving systemically? I don’t know the answer to any of that. I’ve always suspected something might be going on with Zix more than just DHT blocking, though… like perhaps increasing the percentage of hairs in anagen phase (which can sort of be considered reversing baldness in it’s own right). -O.M.G. |
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[ # 10 ] March 29, 2010, 10:09 PM I might have to give Zix a go shortly. Not wanting to throw too much on to where I don’t know up or down(I hate that). Oh yeah, definitely had side effects from Propecia, godawful. Most DHT blockers be it natural or synthetic if taken in the effective dose I get effects from. I think it was Propecia that sensitized me to this. In fact I use a minimal dose of Peuriria Muerifica that takes it right to the edge but does’nt go over(well until I mess up the dose.) |
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[ # 11 ] March 29, 2010, 10:19 PM See… if this were one of those other sites I was talking about a few years ago, some bizarre Star Wars cantina creature would have already come from nowhere and would start shouting at us that Zix must not work based on what I’ve said because 1) DHT blocking can only be done systemically (by the drug Propecia made by Merck $CHA-CHING$ and, oh, make sure you see your doctor), and 2) if you feel side effects from Propecia, then not only are you wrong about that in the first place, but your lack of side effects from Zix means that it’s useless, funny, greenish yellow water. Then, someone would have said “I used Zix and I shedded”. lol… Amazing. Those other sites don’t really do that anymore -I really think because most people are pretty wise to these sort of antics now (and not because the offenders have all of a sudden had a moral change of heart). -O.M.G. |
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[ # 12 ] March 29, 2010, 10:32 PM That’s right. You guys don’t even have to work to keep the lackeys at bay. Misinformation can find no rest area here. Gotta say its pretty refreshing! |
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[ # 13 ] March 30, 2010, 03:51 AM DM5; How can you say that any topical that works makes itself into the bloodstream EXCEPT Ru. From what I’ve read it is still unknown why RU was dropped, and it could well be because it was not deemed safe as it was absorbed systemically. There has to be some reason that it was dropped. It took the company a lot of money to get to where they were, and you can be sure about them not throwing all that away without a really, really good reason. |
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[ # 14 ] March 30, 2010, 06:18 AM I knew the answer to why it was dropped at one point, but for the life of me I can’t remember… I think it was stability issues?? I think it’s just too damn hard to keep from going bad -so much so that chances are the batches that people get from the few companies that make it right now have a decent probability of it being bad, and the customer will never know it. I might be wrong on that -and I know that was one of the big issues about that scam company hitting all of the forums really hard last year…. they were selling a highly volatile product, and I highly doubt a company that resorted to such disturbing levels of unethical posting would be willing to do all that is necessary to ensure that it was actually “good”. Anyway, I’d like to be corrected if I’m wrong. It might simply be that it just didn’t work as well as they thought it would or something. -O.M.G. |
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[ # 15 ] March 30, 2010, 06:33 AM I really doubt you will ever experience any systemic side effects from using a topical zinc preperation. You see by applying it topically we get the opportunity to give the target cells a massive dose but we are actually using very little of any particular substance. Take zinc….we routinely give people in the nursing home 220mgs of oral zinc sulfate every day…day in and day out with the only side effects being they tend to get healthier. Yet that oral dose is approximately what you would be applying on your scalp over an entire month with a zix formula. That’s how little we need! We are taking advantage of the fact that the target cells (the hair follicles) are less than 1/8 inch under the skin. Think of it like this. Suppose we had itchy skin on our arm….we could take 25mgs on oral benadryl and the itch would be stopped…...but we would almost assuredly develop side effects…..dry mouth, sleepiness etc. A better alternative would be to apply a benadryl cream directly to the area of skin that is itching. By delivering the benadry this way we could get the same effect and use 1/100 of the amount of the drug therefore no systemic side effects. |
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[ # 16 ] March 30, 2010, 08:45 AM OMG; Are you sure you know that for a fact? That is one of the theories I have heard that has been thrown around - but as far as I’m concerned none of the theories have been confirmed. Can’t say that I have been looking into it too much though. |
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[ # 17 ] March 30, 2010, 09:18 AM I always thought RU was basically dropped because of the systemic side effects. |
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[ # 18 ] March 30, 2010, 11:28 AM Gubster… No, I can’t confirm that for a fact. I might very well be throwing around bad information -but I know that was the main issue we kept coming accross when we were talking about getting an independent pharmacy to make it for us. Again, though… was it the PHARMACY that was directly telling us that?? I can’t remember! -O.M.G. |
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[ # 20 ] March 31, 2010, 03:40 AM ZIX: I saw that superzix II contains Zinc sulfate and not zinx oxide is there any particular reason for this? |
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[ # 21 ] March 31, 2010, 04:26 AM You guys are really helpfull. I appreciate that. I have also heard that you can use vodka and not ethyl alcohol. TrellosEllinas |
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[ # 22 ] April 02, 2010, 03:32 PM Zixcreator: From what I have read - if the zinc solution is acidic it will be absorbed much better. Is there anything in the superzix that makes it acidic? Or could it be beneficial to add something like ascorbic acid. What’s your take on this? |
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[ # 23 ] April 08, 2010, 10:33 AM So can I use 99% ethyl alcohol or does it have to be 70%??? |
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[ # 24 ] April 08, 2010, 10:44 AM Yes you just need to add a bit less of the alcohol and a bit more if the distilled water. Add 10 mls of the alcohol and about 110mls of the water. |
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[ # 25 ] April 09, 2010, 11:09 AM Gupter…sorry I didn’t see your post there. To answer your question…yes. The “sulfate” part of zinc sulfate is acidic. |
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[ # 26 ] July 22, 2010, 04:03 PM Question on the Zix formula: I saw that it contains corn oil. Would it be possible to take this out and maybe substitute this for a high concentration of cayenne? Also hey John this is Scott btw in the panhandle, fl!!!!! I finally made it on this forum….. |
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[ # 27 ] July 22, 2010, 04:21 PM No the corn oil is necessary for dissolving the beta sitosterol. Corn oil being a vegeatble oil also has some things in it that may help with MPB. As a general observation…..success usually decreases whnever people mess with the formula to any great extent. I am in no way done with the zix formula. I continue to search, think and experiment with new ideas. It has and probably always will be an evolving thing. But with each additional thing I want to make sure it…. a) doesn’t ruin the original formula and… b) helps make the formula better. The next step will be bayberry. To me it has the best theoretical science to justify it’s inclusion. |
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[ # 28 ] July 22, 2010, 08:23 PM Hey, Scott/socratees! Glad you finally made it to the forum! For those of you that don’t know, Scott has the most interesting mix of accents I think I’ve ever heard. It’s a perfect cross between Canadian and Californian! -O.M.G. |
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