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April 28, 2010, 05:03 PM Well I just weighed in at 236 and am now serious about taking off some of this weight. If anyone else is interested in joining up in a weight loss group”. Declare you weight and join in! |
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[ # 1 ] April 28, 2010, 05:25 PM Yeah, lol… I need to have a more “presentable face for TV” with all of these videos, so I’m starting tonight [finally]! I was 270 not too long ago… I’ll weigh myself when I get there and get back to you with my weight! Plus, as some of you know, I looked A LOT better in general when I was thin! lol… I look like a completely different person in that picture! I’ll never get to that weight again, though -that was like 190 or something, and I’ve just grown way too much “bigger” on the X axis to look anywhere close to that again. I think I’d be dead if I was 190 now. I’d love to get to 220 or 230 by New Years, but I don’t know what’s going to happen, and I’m not going to just go by weight. I’m going to lift weights, swim, and maybe make a tiny effort to eat better -I’m not going to be a health or workout nazi. The thing is though, I have so much to lose, probably a lot of it WILL come off pretty quickly and will be measurable in pounds, so I’m up for the challenge. We’ll see! Cheers to looking good on video casts in a few months! lol… -O.M.G. |
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[ # 2 ] April 28, 2010, 05:28 PM By the way, I’m all for a buddy system here. I’m all for declaring your workout schedule for that week to someone else, and having to explain to them why you didn’t stick to it if you didn’t. Adding that sort of aspect to it really helps. You don’t want to look like a lazy piece of shit to others! lol… |
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[ # 3 ] April 28, 2010, 08:21 PM Ok, man, yep… with my workout close on, I weigh EXACTLY 270 pounds! Got through the first workout -couldn’t swim laps because I had the laser babe with me. I’m going to try to squeeze swimming in first thing in the morning, but that may not happen. Plus, it gets really busy in the mornings and I’m waaaay to big to share laps with people without bashing their skulls in with my flailing arms. We’ll have to see how that fits into my workout. Since weight doesn’t really accurately tell the full story (since you are building muscle), I’m also going to measure around the spot of me which is my MAXIMUM GIRTH!
Not my waist, but the actual fattest part of my gut. That’s a really good way for me to track my progress. I’ll have to buy a tape ribbon or see if the wife has one. Let’s see if anyone else has the guts to join us! |
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[ # 4 ] April 28, 2010, 09:43 PM Well today I ran 3.5 miles and then spent 2 hours shoveling dirt in an effort to complete my garden. It was back breaking work because of all the rocks and roots. I was out of breath the whole time. So I guess this would qualify for additional exercise. Food: So far I had one cheese burger, a few fried onion rings and a bowl of chilly, and a glass of milk. Later I’ll have a large salad. Tomorrow it’s back to running and then more digging. |
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[ # 5 ] April 29, 2010, 08:00 AM So here’s what we are doing… by the end of the year, we are going to have a “Men of WorldHairLoss.org Calendar”, and we are going to go spam all the female hair loss sites with it! lol… That’d be hilarious! I could be wearing a blacksmith’s apron, forging my laser helmets, you could be diggin in your garden… whatever! Ha ha ha! |
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[ # 6 ] April 29, 2010, 06:31 PM My plan is to try to get myself on some sort of a routine that I can remain compliant with. I figure if I basically eat healthier….that in and of itself will mean eating a lot less calories. I also have to avoid sodium due to my blood pressure and that results in eating less calories as well. So I’m going to try to avoid cookies, cakes, pies, breads, donuts, chips etc….Instead substitute stuff like fresh fruits and veggies. I’m staying away from anything that human beings have basically changed. For example I could have pork, but not bacon. I could have blue berries but not blueberry jelly. I could have oatmeal but not processed cereal. Then I’m going to keep running but supplement with some weight training. I need some time to dig my bench press out of the shed. It’s buried at the back of the shed and I’ll have to remove almost all the shit from the shed to get to it….and it’s a big shed. But it’s more about the calories I’m consuming than it is about exercise. So far today I had 1 pork chop, a serving of peas, a serving of string beans and about a quart of milk. That’s still a fair amount of calories but nothing was what I consider pure junk food. I did another 1-2 hours of heavy digging in the garden…..which I believe counts as exercise and now I am getting ready to jog 3.5 miles. Here’s my supplements: 1-2 grams of vitamin C daily (ester C) I’m not setting a goal to lose 50 pounds or something like that. I’m setting a goal to lose 10 pounds…..then when I get there I’ll set another goal. Psychologically it’s easier to think about losing only 10 pounds rather than 50 pounds. OMG….you’re not talking about calories? Caloric intake is more important than the exercise part of the equation. |
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[ # 7 ] April 29, 2010, 06:31 PM Ok so I swam laps today, and before my workout I used the machine to detect my blood pressure, my BMI and Body Fat %, etc., and let’s just say… ...there is PLENTY OF ROOM for improvement! Holy crap, my BMI/Body Fat readings are waaaaay high! I’ll probably put them on this thread (I have to go to the website to get them) so you guys can collectively gasp -I’m not worried… I have a smokin’ hot wife and a magnificent head of hair. lol… If I was bald and single and unable to attract beautiful women, then I’d be a little self concious about my BMI! Right now, though, I’m behind on my helmets and email and I need to finish my email tonight. |
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[ # 8 ] April 29, 2010, 06:36 PM Also OMG if you don’t have a blood pressure problem you should consider giving ephedra a try. THAT STUFF WORKS. I understand it is still legal in Florida. It will curtail your appetite, give you more energy and increase your metabolic rate. Long term it might not be a good idea health wise but if it helps you drop the pounds that will be better for your health in the long run. |
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[ # 9 ] April 29, 2010, 06:42 PM I think we posted at the same time! My email arrived that you posted as soon as I hit “submit”. No, I’m not worried about calories. I don’t feel that calories are truly my problem at all. The PROBLEM is purely my metabolism from an extremely sedentary lifestyle. I’d say that most days I only eat one meal –and that’s caused my metabolism to creep. Obviously, cutting calories = losing weight, but I don’t really have the calories to cut. Over the years, if I had been eating more than one meal and getting more exercise than just walking to my car, I wouldn’t be anywhere close to this shape –I’d probably be 220, not 270. So, I’m focusing on weight lifting and swimming, and I’ll try to eat a little better and leave some on my plate, but like I said… that’s not my focus. I’m going to get Immortal in here to talk about good supplements, though. I know that coconut oil is a fantastic addition because it’s essentially pure metabolism fuel, and none of it turns to fat. But HELL NO, I’m not messing with that ephedra stuff again… I’ve told you about that. I used it for a few years -right at the start of my exacerbated hair loss period where my temple loss was on overdrive, by the way. I was extremely unhealthy on that and it caused A LOT of problems in my body (and I’m blaming at least some of the hair loss on it… I don’t think that was coincidental). I’d be willing to bet that ephedra probably took at least a few months off my life, if not a couple of years. It’s extremely addictive and easy to abuse -and the thing is, you don’t realize you are doing it. With me, it made it so I didn’t even realize that I was starting to look like a freaking SKELETON. One of my friends was using it heavily with me, and he became the exact same way. We both agree that it was sort of like “Anorexia in a bottle” –an actual way to CAUSE Anorexia in an ordinarily healthy, swaggering, red blooded American Male. We fully think that it caused a chemical change in our brains when we were using it. We used it for mainly because it was the equivalent of legal cocaine for sales presentations. Both of us were in a job where we had to speak in front of a lot of people on a daily basis, and the shit was PHENOMENAL for that. We, of course, worked out a lot during that period, too. When it became illegal -or when it was becoming under fire for the deaths it was causing- we dropped it. A few months later we were looking at our pictures from that time period and were like “Holy shit… we were freaking anorexic and didn’t know it”. So, hell no! lol… Bad, bad stuff -at least for me and him. -O.M.G. |
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[ # 10 ] April 29, 2010, 06:54 PM I would love to join you guys, especially in regards to having a little more muscle replace the fat. But, I guess I have to be mindful of the donor scar for a couple of weeks. It’s actually been an excuse to be lazy. Surprisingly I haven’t really picked up much weight. I recently added Bilberry extract to my regimen and I swear dropped about 7 pounds in 2 weeks. I have also actually been detoxing with Fulvic Acid and started Wheatgrass powder. Felt a little in left field, lately. Definitely look forward to getting back into it soon. Women are a big motivator in this regard. I am single at the moment, so always nice to be in the gym and around attractive females. It seems like as the temperature increases and we get more sun it is easier to put down the snacks and stuff and do more proactive healthy things. Too much Yohimbe is something you might want to stear clear. It is an anxiogenic herb as well as known to beat up the heart and such. I have heard emergency room stories of this one as well. Here are other positive things I have found to help me drop weight besides the Bilberry: Pomegranate Immortal Hair could probably elaborate better on these, but they are natural aromatase inhibitors as well as the myriad of other benefits. Helps to drop the negative estrogen that might have built up. Especially if you take herbs like Saw Palmetto or pharms like Propecia or just have accumulated a bunch. That Epilobium that Nidhogge was talking about, looks like it nails both. I love that Men of WorldHairloss calendar idea OMG! Spammin’ the female hairloss sites…....that’s awesome..lol. |
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[ # 11 ] April 29, 2010, 08:20 PM Hi OMG. I don’t ever recall you telling me that horror story regarding ephedra. That’s interesting. If you can’t use a drug judiciously then you’re better off never taking it. Or maybe you told me that story when I was heavily sedated on Tylenol #3 or Vicodin….I’m not sure which the doctor gave me when I had my tooth pulled…but I took more than the recommened dosage! I think it was T3’s because I get really screwed up on codeine. Anyway we’re going to have to agree to disagree about calories. But everyone has their own ideas and ways to lose weight. Everyone is different. I completely respect that. |
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[ # 12 ] April 29, 2010, 08:51 PM We don’t disagree about “calories” in general… it’s just that in my particular circumstance, if I were to cut any more calories, my metabolism would STOP! I probably need more calories! |
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[ # 13 ] April 29, 2010, 09:26 PM You know what’s really funny about this thread. Everytime you post something the first thing I see is your avatar. It’s a guy downing a beer in like 3 seconds…..then he’s trying to tell me he doesn’t consume any calories! LOL! I’m not doubting your caloric intake. I just find your avatar, combined with the subject matter hilarious! |
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[ # 14 ] April 29, 2010, 09:38 PM lol… All I’m saying is that I probably consume A LOT LESS calories than some of you! So, my body would probably interpret consuming less calories as going though starvation, and I’d end up worse off in the long run. Speaking of that beer, though, I have got to get my kegerator fixed. I got so used to the perfect near-freezing temperature of the draft beer that I’m spoiled. I actually hardly drink anymore -except, of course, in circumstances when I’m binge drinking, like when I out-drank Chore Boy:
I can still hold my own, though… it’s genetics! |
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[ # 15 ] April 29, 2010, 10:39 PM I remember that binge of yours. You disappeared off the boards for like 2 days after that! |
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[ # 16 ] April 30, 2010, 12:46 AM Gosh Joe, you do all that work, then throw it all away with a burger and fried onion rings! Stick with eggs and grass-fed beef, usually you can find that at a local farm or farmer’s market of sorts. For veggies, the greener the better and as I mentioned in another reply that I just made in another thread, I love kale with a little lite Italian dressing. Keep it simple, eat as you would eat if you were a caveman looking for food. You’d be stealing eggs, picking veggies and the occasional bit of fruit, and killing lots of animals! Complicating it by eating processed while wreak havoc on your insulin and metabolism levels, not to mention the massive influx of calories. |
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[ # 17 ] April 30, 2010, 12:48 AM Re: ephedra— I definitely think that this was a hair loss cause for me when I was tinkering with it to try to get shredded. Not worth it at all, still got 2 bottles that have to be long-expired…haha. Then again, to be fair, the ephedra wasn’t the only ingredient (guarana, caffeine, etc.). But, makes sense…ephedra is a vaso-constrictor, thus making it harder for blood to traverse through your veins. |
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[ # 18 ] April 30, 2010, 01:30 AM Hi Nid….well there’s no doubt it’s a vasoconstrictor….it’s basically an amphetamine. But like any drug, if used properly, it can be helpful. I have a blood pressure problem therefore it’s off limits to me. Years ago however I used pseudophed very effectively to lose weight. (pseudophed is the pharmaceutical version of ephedra).But I used it judiciously. I didn’t overuse it. I knew the dose to take to take the edge off of my appetite and combined with some will power and exercise I was able to shed quite a few pounds. I also didn’t use it everyday. I also didn’t use it at night so that I could sleep. Then my whole weight loss program fell apart when my son’t girl friend was shot and killed while innocently driving through an alley. I just didn’t give a shit about diet or exercise for awhile after that. Caffeine is another substance that curtails my appetite. But that’s kind of off limits to me as well…again it raises blood pressure. So my weight loss program centers more about reducing my blood pressure rather than actually losing weight. So I’m staying away from sodium…..this means I can really only eat “natural foods”. By that I mean things that are processed. I can eat all the steak I want or all the fruits and veggies I want….as long as their not processed. Also no bread products or cookies, cakes etc…..these are loaded with sodium as well. |
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[ # 19 ] April 30, 2010, 01:38 AM I’d really hope I have the will power to test a theory of mine. I believe these processed foods actually make us more hungry than we would normally be. I would like to completely eliminate all of them for a month and see what happens. Will I still crave these foods? Will I still crave Reeses peanut butter cups? Dunkin Donuts? Oriole Cookies? Will these cravings eventually go away? A couple of years ago I tested the theory that milk was the absolute worst thing on earth to drink. I completely eliminated it from my diet for a month. I drank no milk and ate nothing that contained milk. At the end of a month I didn’t feel any better maybe even slightly worse. So I went back to drinking it. But I’d like to test my theory on processed foods. I don’t want to read a study about it. I want to know if it works for me. |
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[ # 20 ] April 30, 2010, 01:40 AM Can’t blame you Zix, I wouldn’t give a shit about anything after that neither… You’re right on about ephedra, as long as it’s used as the proper dose. The reason it’s banned to begin with is because folks just got the great idea that if they double or tripled or even quadrupled the dosage that they’d get the weight off that much quicker. I recall there being a football player that died while on ephedra because he was dehydrated, and my friend in the Army said that during boot camp one of the guys died as well (heart attack I believe) from it for the same reason. A great and I mean fantastic way to reduce blood pressure is Ecklonia Cava. Not sure how well FibroBoost does it though, since it’s just a 13% extract. Looks like your program is keeping you eating the good stuff, and away from the junk though, and that’s what matters most. Caffeine I enjoy, but here and there only. I don’t want my appetite curtailed in particular, I just want to make sure that what I’m eating for the most part is stuff that will benefit my health. Not always easy! |
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[ # 21 ] April 30, 2010, 02:04 AM Zix— We actually have reviewed this in great depth at ImmortalHair’s site over the past year or two, and basically whenever you consume yeast and/or sugar, it feeds the candida fungus that lines our intestines. Because the Western diet is so heavy in both of those, most folk have Candida overgrowth. I, myself, had a white tongue for as far back as I can remember whenever I woke up (a sign of Candida overgrowth), and as soon as I adopted an anti-Candida regimen my sweet cravings were GONE after a month or so. I’d get a dessert out of habit when going out to eat, and I wouldn’t even enjoy eating it! And ya, milk is pure poison, but won’t stop me from enjoying the occasional milkshake and ice cream. |
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[ # 22 ] April 30, 2010, 03:34 AM Well Like I said I gave up milk for a month and it didn’t make me feel any better…in fact I think I felt alittle worse. |
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[ # 23 ] April 30, 2010, 08:14 PM Most likely, the milk was supplying you with something that was lacking in your diet otherwise. Doesn’t make it any more good for you though: |
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[ # 24 ] April 30, 2010, 08:23 PM I’ve said it before… I freaking LOVE MILK, and I’ll never give it up! Man, I could drink an entire gallon of it if you let me. Yes, I know it’s very fattening and awful, but I don’t care… that will be a vice that I’m just not going to give up. I limit myself, though… I don’t buy it for myself often. In fact, I purposely stay away from it as much as I can because I consider myself a “milk addict”! Hey, I always try to learn my weaknesses and do what I can to fix them. Easier said than done I suppose with most things -with milk I have the fact that it’s all the way at the store and costs money and I’m LAZY working for me! I buy whole milk for Sailor, though, and he drinks it every night. It’s one reason why he’s so healthy at his age with FIV, so I bow down at the alter of Milk and thank it every day. I’m prepared to say that for him, it’s a life saver. But, alas, he’s a cat with a disease that would make him THINNER -and I’m a human with a metabolism that makes me FATTER, so there are no similarities! lol… By the way, though… it’s amazing how quick your energy level rises when you start working out. A year of sitting on my ass, and after two workouts my wife and I were throwing things around in the yard today. That normally doesn’t happen! -O.M.G. |
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[ # 25 ] April 30, 2010, 08:31 PM By the way, giving evidence to the fact that I truly am a milk addict, there is no way I’m going to look at that link you gave us, Nidhogge. It’s just not going to happen! Ha ha ha! Plausible deniability, living in fantasy land, call it what you want to… |
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[ # 27 ] April 30, 2010, 09:07 PM Ya but OMG, plausible deniability won’t save your hair from the effects of milk, nor deny its potential role in your past hair loss. When I was sluggin down a few gallons a week, that was when my hair loss was the worst. Worst off, I had no idea why I was shedding, because that was 6/7 years ago! |
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[ # 28 ] May 03, 2010, 11:09 AM Weight loss! Finally, a topic where I can contribute! 1. OMG, I totally noticed my hair thinned when I was on ephedra…just very mild along the hairline, which is what I am desperately trying to get back. There is a slight but visible density change which hasn’t really progressed from Nov 2007 until now. Hopefully that’s because it WONT get any worse, but also cause of IH top 6 and lasers. I thought I was crazy to make the correlation but it looks like i wasn’t the only one
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[ # 29 ] May 03, 2010, 12:00 PM Hey, Xyion1!
I think there is something to this. I don’t know what, but that’s when my hair really started taking a noticeable dive. I’ve never seen this topic mentioned before, but the three people on this thread that have used it are all speaking up about it -and that tells me something. It’s too late to do anything about that now, that’s for sure, and thank god the drug is harder for people to get now. Yeah, you lose a lot of weight, but I think the crap took several years off of my life! ...Not to mention a couple of years off of my hair. As far as the diet part, I’ve had years and years of eating ONE MEAL coupled with a sedentary lifestyle, so, like I said, there really aren’t a lot of calories to cut. I’m NOT CONCERNED about losing weight, though -I’m fairly certain that this is going to happen VERY EASILY. I’m not one of those fat people crying on TV commercials with a drumstick in their hand going “Losing weight is soooo hard”. lol… I already know that the key to losing weight is NOT steady cardio, though, and I’m glad that you brought that up. That puts your body into “flight” mode -meaning your metabolism shuts down because it thinks you are being chased and it’s reserving it’s energy. The best way is probably weight lifting because this enables you to burn more calories at an idle state. Also, I really like swimming because 1) it’s probably closer to repetitive weight lifting than jogging because you aren’t shocking your body, and 2) you’re keeping your body cool in the water. Not everyone has access to a good pool, though, but if you can do it, do it! Now, overall, though… yes, I’d love to get a better diet, and I certainly will ask for help when that time comes. That will be for time period when I’m trying to lose pounds from 240 down to 220 probably, not 272 to 240! These 30 pounds are due to sitting on my ass and will be easy to lose. I’ve probably already lost five pounds from the couple of workouts I’ve had. That reminds me… I should go take a shot glass of melted coconut oil right now. You can really feel the difference -it’s real energy from within you. Not a buzzy sort of caffeine energy. |
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[ # 30 ] May 03, 2010, 12:03 PM
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[ # 31 ] May 03, 2010, 02:14 PM
OMG, You’re going to hate this, but I wasn’t able to have any SERIOUS weight loss (of say, more than 10 lbs) until I changed my diet. After making this change, I’ve dropped ~60lbs and KEPT them off for 3 years. This is even during an injury period last year when I was unable to go to the gym (or even buckle my seat belt easily) for 9 months! Just start small: drop the alcohol (which pains me to say) but keep eating the burgers, chicken, and steak. Just drop the buns, mashed potatoes, and fries. Baby steps! |
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[ # 32 ] May 04, 2010, 12:11 AM You’ll just have to try it and see what happens. Everyone is different. I know myself I have to basically starve to lose weight no matter how much exercise I do. But I have never really tried eating only REAL food before. I mean food that has not been significantly altered by humans. I suspect there is something in a normal American diet that makes us more hungry than we should be. We shall see. |
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[ # 33 ] May 08, 2010, 01:15 AM I fell off the wagon in the past few days. So much for the experiment that eating high quality food would make me less hungry. The battle continues…. |
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[ # 35 ] May 13, 2010, 02:47 PM “I fell off the wagon in the past few days. So much for the experiment that eating high quality food would make me less hungry. The battle continues….” Check out this book - “Dr. Joshi’s Holistic Detox” It’s a 3 week detox - very strict - but your cravings for “bad” food will go away. Also, the pounds will melt off.
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[ # 36 ] May 14, 2010, 10:47 AM I have had some experience here, I am 42 and about 6’4”. I just went from 252 to 235. It took me about 3 months. I lift regularly so 230-235 leaves me in pretty good shape. For years I wouldnt believe more experienced “gym rats” when they told me that results are 50-80% diet. But they are. You can work out like a bastard and only burn 1000 calories a day with some afterburn effect, but when you work out really hard you will most likely eat more thereby negating the effect. We must diet! Mostly portion control worked for me, as well as lowering starchy carbs. We need to adhere to actual portions, not just “eying er’ up” on a plate. I have lost 15-25lbs 3 times in my life this way |
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[ # 37 ] May 14, 2010, 02:16 PM You guys may want to check this product out: NextZyme http://www.iherb.com/Sedona-Labs-Next-Zyme-Dual-Digestive-Enzymes-90-Veggie-Caps/7409?at=0 This has become a supplement I feel i simply cannot do without. To date I have never experienced a digestive enzyme product that I found agreeable. I only kept trying them because the idea behind their benefit makes a ton of sense (research it yourself). In any case, this is the holy grail of digestive enzymes as far as I can tell. I have noticed some slimming since using it. I’ve found that taking about 7 at night works best and a couple first thing in the morning while stomach is completely empty. This cleans the pipes in a very agreeable (not harsh) way I have found. |
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