LLLT for FAT REDUCTION?! ...And it’s documented as “statistically significant cosmetic improvement”? ...And the diodes used are at our wavelengths?
  Editor Total Posts: 811 Member Since: |
May 14, 2010, 04:15 PM ...and it’s done by simply putting them on the SKIN! There is much more info than this one study about this, too. Lasers apparently break down the fat cells and cause them to be absorbed in the blood stream, and you notice results over a period of only several weeks. No clue what really long term use would bring (although something tells me people like me are going to find out!). The reason I heard about this, other than Dr. Bauman being my Facebook friend (I’d recommend friending him if you are interested in this topic) and seeing all sorts of laser articles and news reports posted on a near-daily basis, is because there have been some news reports lately on how CHIROPRACTORS are becoming the new champions of laser therapy because the status-quo medical community is refusing to embrace them. Remember, the self-proclaimed “best hair transplant surgeon” proclaims that lasers *can’t* work on the human body in any way -and although that isn’t exactly “typical”, it’s certainly an example of a very problematic, erroneous mindset that is false to the point of absurdity. Problem is… it’s an uphill battle convincing most people because they still have faith that all doctors are on the cutting edge and have your best interests at heart -something that unfortunately gets proven wrong again and again. This chiropractor thing deserves a future full fledged article, and that movement may be the chink in the armor that really brings about proactive change that benefits us all. Say what you want about chiropractors’ reputations… if they embrace LLLT, they’re going to gain serious credibility -being, you know, you can’t find credible info that shows laser therapy DOESN’T work. There will be an ever-growing number of people that will ask “Why didn’t my doctor recommend this cheap and easy LLLT treatment to me for X condition when it’s had so much proven success?” Guess who’s going to look like the heroes at that point?! Anyway, let’s distance ourselves from that right now and talk about what we do best -making science our bitch, and making it so we can do this stuff affordably and more efficiently than anyone else:
Abstract METHODS: Forty healthy men and women ages 18-65 years with a BMI less than 30 kg/m(2) were randomized 1:1 to laser or control treatment. Subject’s waistlines were treated 30 min twice a week for 4 weeks. Standardized waist circumference measurements and photographs were taken before and after treatments 1, 3, and 8. Subjects were asked not to change their diet or exercise habits. In vitro assays were conducted to determine cell lysis, glycerol, and triglyceride release. RESULTS: Data were analyzed for those with body weight fluctuations within 1.5 kg during 4 weeks of the study. Each treatment gave a 0.4-0.5 cm loss in waist girth. Cumulative girth loss after 4 weeks was -2.15 cm (-0.78 +/- 2.82 vs. 1.35 +/- 2.64 cm for the control group, p lessthan 0.05). A blinded evaluation of standardized pictures showed statistically significant cosmetic improvement after 4 weeks of laser treatment. In vitro studies suggested that laser treatment increases fat loss from adipocytes by release of triglycerides, without inducing lipolysis or cell lysis. CONCLUSIONS: LLLT achieved safe and significant girth loss sustained over repeated treatments and cumulative over 4 weeks of eight treatments. The girth loss from the waist gave clinically and statistically significant cosmetic improvement.
So, what we don’t know at this point is the wattage of the diodes. If it’s functioning by the same biostimulation properties used with hair loss, then the 30 minute timeframe tells me that it’s 5mW. HOWEVER… it might not be doing that. It may be using a higher mW diode to penetrate deeper and bombard the fat with a crapload of energy. So, I’ll call Maricle and see if he knows anything, and you guys feel free to look into these devices and post info about them here. Making a device to target this stuff would be easy. SIMPLE, even. You wouldn’t even need to use bristles, so it’s literally just putting the diodes up against your portly, fatty fat flesh. -O.M.G. PS- ...and hey, it’s not that I’m saying doctors are all evil frauds like that one guy, it’s just that, simply put, after med school, the main way they learn about treatments are by the pharmaceutical companies -office visits, conventions, publications… all done with big drug company money. I have doctors in my family -really good, well known ones- and they are clueless when I tell them about this sort of stuff. It’s simply because the way the system works, they don’t really “hear about it”. When presented with this knowledge, they are usually astounded and would probably embrace it given the opportunity. I wanted to clear up what I was talking about there so people don’t paint my feelings on this with an inaccurate brush. That’s what we mean when we say the “system is broken” a bit here. Spend hundreds of millions on a pill (and the marketing behind it) and it will be embraced. Make a machine that could work far better than that pill -but it’s based on non-patentable technology- and you’ve got a long, uphill battle gaining acceptance. Sure, there is a small percentage of the “established medical/pharmaceutical community” that DOES engage in acts to suppress info like this -we’ve seen that on hair loss forums, no argument there- but all in all, with the vast majority of the medical community, it’s simply a communication problem. No way to get the message out. |
|
Build your own Laser Helmet | Laser Brush | Laser Device at OverMachoGrande.com! The internet’s first, best, and biggest consumer advocate site on laser therapy for hair loss! It’s time to educate yourself about one of the greatest treatments in FORUM HISTORY… |
|
Editor Total Posts: 811 Member Since: |
[ # 1 ] May 14, 2010, 04:50 PM ...And I have to say that if I EVER catch the Laser Babe using diodes on that butt of hers, the marriage is OVER! HA HA HA!
That’d be a CRIME! |
|
Build your own Laser Helmet | Laser Brush | Laser Device at OverMachoGrande.com! The internet’s first, best, and biggest consumer advocate site on laser therapy for hair loss! It’s time to educate yourself about one of the greatest treatments in FORUM HISTORY… |
|
Editor Total Posts: 811 Member Since: |
[ # 3 ] May 14, 2010, 05:54 PM Spoke to Maricle on the phone, and he says one common diode for this treatment is the 635nm, 5mW variety, and there is a French device on the market now that uses 650nm, 20mW diodes (I think it was 650). So, that put’s our very own diodes in the running for being very good for this! Woohoo! lol… I really find that surprising because it just seems like to me that you’d want to get deeper and maybe use both a higher power diode and a higher wavelength diode just so you can get down to the fat -but hey, there you go. Of course, I still may be right that it would be BETTER to use say 808nm, 20mW diodes, because remember one of the cardinal misconceptions about LLLT: If you think that there is a big lab somewhere where companies are trying every conceivable arrangement or type of diode to discover which is better, you’re WRONG! That’s not how it works. They make the devices they want to make based on design patents and cost, and if they work… they market them for that treatment. Anyway, I asked him if he had heard any word on the street about which was better -5mW or 20mW- and he said he hadn’t heard anything. He thinks that 5mW diodes flat on the surface might be pretty good here. Oh, he also said that I’m pretty late to the party (with the rest of the mainstream world) with the discovery about chiropractors using LLLT. He said he’s got quite a few of them as customers that make their own various devices. Ok, I think it’s time to start experimenting with this a bit. That’ll be simply amazing if this works. -O.M.G. |
|
Build your own Laser Helmet | Laser Brush | Laser Device at OverMachoGrande.com! The internet’s first, best, and biggest consumer advocate site on laser therapy for hair loss! It’s time to educate yourself about one of the greatest treatments in FORUM HISTORY… |
|
Editor Total Posts: 811 Member Since: |
[ # 4 ] May 14, 2010, 07:12 PM
The one with all of the fanfare recently is the “Zerona” (and I think Dr. Bauman has one… I’ll go check). Here is a video of Rachael Ray and a doctor talking about it and it gives the broad specifics of results, etc. Do you see how STUPID that damn design is? Seriously… five spinning line lasers on Dr. Octopus tentacles? There is NO WAY you would ever convice me that this device would be better than a bunch of our diodes on the surface of the skin in the gutter guard pattern. Just no way. You can’t convince me that this isn’t anything else but figuring out some convoluted design housing normal diodes in such a fashion to continue the “confusion” about “Oh my gosh, no way could we ever do this ourselves… it takes a $60,000 machine”. If you read this, Dr. Bauman, sorry about that! lol… Don’t worry, we’ll keep the secret. |
|
Build your own Laser Helmet | Laser Brush | Laser Device at OverMachoGrande.com! The internet’s first, best, and biggest consumer advocate site on laser therapy for hair loss! It’s time to educate yourself about one of the greatest treatments in FORUM HISTORY… |
|
Editor Total Posts: 811 Member Since: |
[ # 5 ] May 14, 2010, 07:28 PM Ok, here is Dr. Bauman’s video on it:
So, for use to replicate this, I still think we can create a device based on gutter guard and move it around. So, try to make it big, I guess, and if you have to cover a really large area, maybe it’d be better to just focus on one section at a time. I’m going to make a device for under my chin -and that’d only take 100 diodes at the most (maybe more like 80). I’m still a bit unsure about the time frame -but hearing the 30 minute timeframe but seeing all sorts of various devices is telling me that this is more like blood irradiation than biostimulation (treating hair loss). What I mean by that is that we aren’t worried about strict 3-6 joules adherence here, we are simply worried about getting a lot of energy in there. If their proposed mechanism is correct -it’s causing the fat cells to sort of “spill out”- then I don’t see really what the 6 joule limit really has to do with any of it. So, putting 5mW diodes on the surface of the skin for half an hour -which would be higher than 6 joules- wouldn’t be problematic, and possibley encouraged. I’m just thinking outloud, though! I’d love to hear jdp’s thoughts on that. -O.M.G. |
|
Build your own Laser Helmet | Laser Brush | Laser Device at OverMachoGrande.com! The internet’s first, best, and biggest consumer advocate site on laser therapy for hair loss! It’s time to educate yourself about one of the greatest treatments in FORUM HISTORY… |
|
Member Total Posts: 227 Member Since: |
[ # 6 ] May 14, 2010, 09:23 PM I use a lasermax 80, which by design is flat and attached to a stand. It would be easy to lay this on top of my stomach….and my wife just had a baby….so would it be good for her stretch marks as well as her fat??? |
|
After 5 months of nothing, my new regimen as of mid December 2011 is below:
|
|
Editor Total Posts: 811 Member Since: |
[ # 7 ] May 14, 2010, 10:26 PM Ok, guys… So what is the WorldHairLoss.org mantra? We’re the people that don’t sit around and speculate or arm chair quarterback, we’re the people that start doing things to get answers! It’s not pretty, but it does what I want it to do -and I did this obviously pretty quickly since I just became interested in the topic a couple of hours ago! lol…
Also, please ignore the fact that I look like absolute hell. Thank you. My double chin is a source of great duress to me because it’s genetic (I’m not using that as an excuse -I’m a fat ass and I know this, I’m just saying that it’s hard to get rid of) and it profoundly affects my looks. If this works at all, I’ll be ELATED. Seriously… I could lose 50 pounds and I’d still have that damn chin, so any visible reduction at all would be considered a major success for me. Ok, so… I took action to see what this can do for us, and I’ll see you in a couple of months!
I’ve heard that these diodes are pretty decent for stretch marks. I know they have special lasers in clinics that can reduce them in several treatments, but I don’t know what the specs are on those. I do think that these work though -although I think it’ll take a few months before you notice anything. But yeah, definitely go for it and get her started on that immediately! As far as the “fat” part… that’s what we’ll hopefully know soon! -O.M.G. |
|
Build your own Laser Helmet | Laser Brush | Laser Device at OverMachoGrande.com! The internet’s first, best, and biggest consumer advocate site on laser therapy for hair loss! It’s time to educate yourself about one of the greatest treatments in FORUM HISTORY… |
|
Member Total Posts: 23 Member Since: |
[ # 8 ] May 15, 2010, 12:04 AM That’s pretty interesting. Wonder it will work for those who are using propecia and getting man boobs? Any news on the laser device for the face? My real area for aging is my neck which, from what I understand, is off limits for lasers due to the thyroid. |
|
Member Total Posts: 65 Member Since: |
[ # 9 ] May 15, 2010, 03:59 AM Dude, you have a freakin mane! I was thinking the same about the moobage, def worth a try. Thanks for all the info OMG. |
 Member Total Posts: 50 Member Since: |
[ # 10 ] May 15, 2010, 06:52 AM OMG, honestly, you are the fucking man dude. I know this thread is not about your hair, but damn man your hair looks luxurious! Do you still wear Toppik these days? The device looks professional to me. It looks like a beard from the future. Get results. |
|
Editor Total Posts: 811 Member Since: |
[ # 11 ] May 15, 2010, 10:59 AM I haven’t worn toppik in literally over six months! The very last time I used it was on my wedding day -just because my hair transplant hair was still pretty uneven and short in some places so it wasn’t giving me the coverage I wanted with 20 cameras taking pictures of me! lol… My hair looks great, but I’m still worried because there isn’t anywhere to go but DOWN! lol…. I’ll probably be starting Immortals Top 6 pretty soon. “All who gain hair are afraid to lose it”! Runz… I’m actually not sure about the thyroid thing -makes sense, but maybe the thyroid is deep enough that it wouldnt get hit. I’ll let JDP710 comment on that one! [Just checked into it and yeah, keep the diodes away from your thyroid until we let scientist look at that one a little more.] But yeah, the neck with some people can really get wrinkly, so it’s worth checking into. But as far as the face device, I haven’t had time to play with it much -but I will. I’ve taken a renewed interest now with this chin thing! One thing that would really help with the eye problem would be to put the diodes flat on the surface like my chin device. That would keep the light from spreading and reflecting all over the place. I don’t think it would be as effective AT ALL -you’re probably cutting more than half the exposure area, and you’d have to use it a little less (shorter time = less results). But, it’d still obviously be effective -just not AS effective. So, maybe that’s a thought for the meantime. If we did it that way, shoot… we could end up making custom plastic molds that fit right on your face. You know, do plaster cast of your face, then heat an acryllic sheet and bend it right over the cast:
That’s be a really cool, HIGH END sort of thing! Very customized. I don’t know if it’s necessary -and my purpose is to build the most EFFECTIVE devices, and I still think that would be one that encorporates the protocols of our laser helmets, but with the “eye factor” we might not have a choice. Maybe I’ll put together a foam face device similar to my chin device -no bristles, resting on skin- in the next few weeks and test it. If I like it, I can experiment with vacuum forming custom face shapes, and we can go from there. -O.M.G. |
|
Build your own Laser Helmet | Laser Brush | Laser Device at OverMachoGrande.com! The internet’s first, best, and biggest consumer advocate site on laser therapy for hair loss! It’s time to educate yourself about one of the greatest treatments in FORUM HISTORY… |
|
Member Total Posts: 65 Member Since: |
[ # 12 ] May 15, 2010, 07:35 PM Can’t you just wear those wacky goggles? On a side note - this forum hates my iPhone. |
|
Editor Total Posts: 811 Member Since: |
[ # 13 ] May 15, 2010, 07:47 PM Yeah, I own WorldHairLoss.mobi (I actually own everything “WorldHairLoss”) and one day I’m going to put together an extremely simple version of the site with auto-redirects, etc. for smart phone browsers. It’s hard enough making sites that are compatible with both firefox and IE. I got a little lucky in that it sort of works with my blackberry, but you just can’t have any sort of sophisticated layout and get them all to work. It’s best to just redirect the smart phones to a hella simple layout. But no, believe it or not… you can’t just use goggles with a face device based on the same protocols as the laser helmets. It’s so damn bright and intense that it gets in through the sides. I know that it’s hard to believe, but you can even use stainless steel goggles and you’ll feel like your eyes are still getting “worn out” a little. You have to really back off the diodes a few rows around the eyes, and then use a solid, flexible barrier that contours around the eyes. Of course, you don’t have to put them anywhere close to the eyes, though, and you’ll still have great results. The thing is, though, that the eyes are probably the area that shows the most age, so I want to make a device that it could still get somewhat close to them! Using LEDs for right over the eyes might be a good option, though. Use lasers for the brunt of the forehead, cheeks, and mouth/chin area, but leave a LARGE GAP around the eye area, and then use LEDs for the eyes. -O.M.G. |
|
Build your own Laser Helmet | Laser Brush | Laser Device at OverMachoGrande.com! The internet’s first, best, and biggest consumer advocate site on laser therapy for hair loss! It’s time to educate yourself about one of the greatest treatments in FORUM HISTORY… |
|
Editor Total Posts: 811 Member Since: |
[ # 15 ] May 16, 2010, 03:33 PM I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason this works is simply based on what Joe the Zix Guy and I talk about all the time… The human body is designed to get a moderate amount of sunlight, and we in civilization just aren’t getting it. I could totally see that *if* we are designed to spend time outside, maybe being INSIDE is causing our body to “hit a switch” to store fat -more fat than it would be with the same amount of calories. It’s commonly known that kids spend more time indoors now that they used to, and childhood obesity is skyrocketing. So, maybe it’s not only related to the activity they did outside -maybe simply BEING OUTSIDE helped some as well. So, if you get a concentrated amount of light energy in the wavelength that actually reaches through the tissue focused on a fat deposit area, maybe it’s signaling you body that it’s ok to release some of the storage. That’s a plausible theory I suppose -I’m just thinking outloud. By the way, I’m surpised that this isn’t HELLA BIG NEWS. Previously, there was no way to “spot reduce fat” except for surgery. Just the fact that it’s *possible* with lasers -whether it reduces a lot of fat or only a little- should be enough for everyone to at least talk about this. It never ceases to amaze me how slow the world is to embrace LLLT for anything. |
|
Build your own Laser Helmet | Laser Brush | Laser Device at OverMachoGrande.com! The internet’s first, best, and biggest consumer advocate site on laser therapy for hair loss! It’s time to educate yourself about one of the greatest treatments in FORUM HISTORY… |
|
New Member Total Posts: 10 Member Since: |
[ # 16 ] May 16, 2010, 09:45 PM Correct me if I’m wrong, but if LLLT reduces fat then wouldn’t that make it a poor treatment for the face? Fat in the face is correlated with youth, it’s when we get older and lose fat that we get sunken eyes, cheeks, and sagging. |
|
Editor Total Posts: 811 Member Since: |
[ # 17 ] May 17, 2010, 06:51 AM sdguy… All of this is just guessing anyway, but I think that’s a lack of collagen and elastin that causes peoples face to do that -which lasers profoundly INCREASE. There is a lot of data out there on lasers increasing collagen and elastin. As someone with a fat face, I can tell you that I’d love to have the fat removed! Anyway, I’m sure there are limits here to what it can do or else there’d be a lot of really BONE SKINNY people out there from LLLT, and there aren’t. So, I don’t think it’s going to be able to lower fat to an unhealthy level in any area -and since the skin is becoming more elastic and youthful, it’s not going to “hang” or anything. I’ve been thinking, and a lot of the difference is measured in inches (although BMI was mentioned somewhere), and I wonder if A LOT of this is simply because it’s causing the skin to “tighten up” (and I don’t mean temporarily, I mean as a long term result due to the increased collagen and elastin production). I hate using “tighten”, because it’s not like it would feel “tight” -it’d feel normal. So, maybe it’s acting like a “nip and tuck” here. I’m sure that plays a part, and frankly… under my chin really needs that anyway! So, I don’t technically care if it’s only reducing a little bit of fat but giving you a “face lift” by long term “tightening of the skin” -I’m concerned about LOOKS and not just the technical data! -O.M.G. |
|
Build your own Laser Helmet | Laser Brush | Laser Device at OverMachoGrande.com! The internet’s first, best, and biggest consumer advocate site on laser therapy for hair loss! It’s time to educate yourself about one of the greatest treatments in FORUM HISTORY… |
|
Editor Total Posts: 508 Member Since: |
[ # 18 ] May 17, 2010, 07:29 AM Not to be a ballbuster here but again…and John I already know you agree with me that most of us are deficient in sunlight…...but could part of the reason so many people are carrying so much fat be they lack sunlight? Depression can be treated with sunlight. What other diseases and conditions are we suffering from because we lack sunlight? This comment is not meant to diminish your efforts to build a device for reducing fat but perhaps sunlight should be in the general protocol for overall health, fitness, longevity and disease prevention? But what would be the dose? How much is too much? How much is enough? |
|
Editor Total Posts: 811 Member Since: |
[ # 19 ] May 17, 2010, 07:33 AM Joe, how is repeating what I said being a “ballbuster”? lol… I covered that three posts up from yours.
PS- I still think you have it in your head that I DISAGREE with you on that theory for some reason. I’m telling you… not only is that wrong, I’m probably a bigger proponent of it than you are -from my very own observations, conclusions, and common sense! The “sunlight theory” fits RIGHT INTO the LLLT mechanism -it’s not contrarian to it. There isn’t any “ballbusting” possible there. |
|
Build your own Laser Helmet | Laser Brush | Laser Device at OverMachoGrande.com! The internet’s first, best, and biggest consumer advocate site on laser therapy for hair loss! It’s time to educate yourself about one of the greatest treatments in FORUM HISTORY… |
|
Editor Total Posts: 508 Member Since: |
[ # 20 ] May 17, 2010, 09:10 AM Hi John. When I was writing the previous post I was going to include this: “I haven’t had time to read the whole thread yet but for what it’s worth here goes”. I deleted that sentence and intended to insert it in another paragraph and then forgot! Yea I know you agree on the sunlight theory. The only thing I think we disagree on is that I tend to believe various wavelengths (found in sunlight) may be superior to just one wavelength…..when we’re talking about all health concerns…not just hair loss. If you remember we’ve had conversations before about you constructing a “whole body device”. Is there a way to filter out only UV light and still get the rest of the wavelengths? Then all we have to do is lay under the sun and then spend a small amount of time receiving full sunlight because in moderation even UV light has benefits. I wonder is there a type of glass that would do this? |
|
New Member Total Posts: 10 Member Since: |
[ # 21 ] May 17, 2010, 11:57 AM
There are glasses and films that do this. Regular glass blocks just about all of the UVB (I think like 93%) but doesn’t do such a great job on UVA. They sell film for car and home windows that can block all the UVA and B. You could probably put together a panel that does this, though you’d stick receive reflected UV from the sources around you and this can be more than you think. |
|
New Member Total Posts: 10 Member Since: |
[ # 22 ] May 17, 2010, 12:01 PM
You’re right about the collagen and elastin for wrinkles, but I remember reading a study that deals with facial fat loss as we age and how that contributes more to the perception of age than wrinkles. It’s most noticeable in the eye sockets when these pockets of fat shrink and the eyes become more sunken. You may be right about skin tightening though, and that’d be great to deal with sagging and jowls, I’m just wondering if while LLLT is helping in one aspect it might be hurting in another. Did you get my PM about the helmet? |
|
Member Total Posts: 65 Member Since: |
[ # 24 ] May 18, 2010, 01:54 AM
Lol, I reckon he’s got a few PMs coming through at the moment bro. I sent him one about a helmet last night. Busy guy. |
|
Editor Total Posts: 811 Member Since: |
[ # 25 ] May 18, 2010, 10:09 AM sdguy… Well, here are my thoughts on that… everything that laser therapy has ever done points to the fact that it’s making you revert to a more YOUTHFUL STATE. It seems like to me that it’d PREVENT this “facial fat loss due to age” if it indeed occurs due to aging -I mean actually prevent the reason that was occuring in the first place. I actually doubt very much that these lasers are just “blasting away fat” like they say it is. I think it’s just allowing your body to work more like it should -therefore your body doesn’t NEED that fat storage, so it sends the command to kill it. Man, we are not a stranger to people in white doctor coats telling us exactly the WRONG INFORMATION about why lasers are doing what they are doing. Before my OMG site, almost every site on LLLT for hair loss said that it BLOCKED DHT -and some even had made-up diagrams of how it was occuring. We’ll know for sure… as soon as I develop my face device, I’m going to use it for probably the rest of my life!!! ...and today is my email day. I’ve had computer problems, helmet problems, supply problems, physical problems, MENTAL PROBLEMS, etc., this week. lol… Jeez, it’s 11am and I’ve already wasted four hours this morning on a computer problem. I’m worn out ALREADY. I hate this crap. Nevermind the fact that I bring it on myself -just let that go. -O.M.G. |
|
Build your own Laser Helmet | Laser Brush | Laser Device at OverMachoGrande.com! The internet’s first, best, and biggest consumer advocate site on laser therapy for hair loss! It’s time to educate yourself about one of the greatest treatments in FORUM HISTORY… |
|
Editor Total Posts: 811 Member Since: |
[ # 28 ] June 08, 2010, 08:15 AM I know that both blue and red wavelengths are used for acne. I’ll google that and see if I can find more information, but from what I remember, I think that the blue wavelength -which can be dangerous, by the way, if overused, but the diodes are cost prohibitive so that’d be really hard since we’d probably have to actually go to the dermatologist- give quicker results with acne. I think it really just zaps the crap out of the microfungus, etc, that causes it, and it’s super effective and QUICK. I think the red wavelength is probably much slower, but it will probably end up to be just as effective if you actually continually use it. There are other benefits with that wavelength in terms of long term use -wrinkle reduction, collogen production, more elastin, etc. I don’t have exactly “bad skin”, but I did have acne when I was a teenager and I do have some every once and a while. The brief period last year when I used my make-shift face device (my transplant scar device turned around backwards), my skin was FLAWLESS. I’m assuming you are talking about acne, by the way. Is that what you are interested in? ...And no, I still haven’t worked on my face device. Let me catch up and do that SOON. I’m very interested in this because it so profoundly affects your looks. -O.M.G. |
|
Build your own Laser Helmet | Laser Brush | Laser Device at OverMachoGrande.com! The internet’s first, best, and biggest consumer advocate site on laser therapy for hair loss! It’s time to educate yourself about one of the greatest treatments in FORUM HISTORY… |
|
Editor Total Posts: 136 Member Since: |
[ # 29 ] June 08, 2010, 10:15 AM OMG - yes, I had a series of smoothbeam treatments done a few years ago for acne and acne scarring. I rarely break out these days, but unfortunately I do have scars left over from old acne lesions. I’d really be interested in any lasers that could stimulate collagen production and perhaps “filli-n” depressed acne scars. |
 Editor Total Posts: 97 Member Since: |
[ # 30 ] January 18, 2011, 05:40 AM Hi everyone, Very interesting thread, I too am keen to get a home made fat loss laser up and running and have found a few interesting links: http://www.busylightclinic.ca/promotional-offers/zerona-clinical-research/ See the bottom of the above link for some other links to various research studies the main one can be found under the heding of “Body Contouring”. From what I can gather so far the specification of such a laser would be as follows: - Power rating? I have read studies using 10mW, 14mW & 17mW – here is what the reaserch to date has to say ”Dr Neira’s work which provided compelling evidence that the application of laser therapy at 635nm with output intensity between 7 and 20mW consistently induces the formation of a transitory pore within the membrane of adipocytes provoking their collapse.” Furthermore: “Dr. Neira noted that greater intensities of laser light did not achieve the same biological response that lower energy output devices did. Across multiple laser applications, studies indicate a greater induction of cellular modulation is readily attained utilizing low-energy laser devices” - Modulation frequency 1000Hz (the laser needs to be pulsed) - Application time - not sure here - One of the studies in the links above states 20 minutes using five 17mw laser diodes first front and then back of body with a total application time of 40 minutes – total energy delivered was 6.6 joules/cm2. It is a little vague on the 6.6 Joules /cm2 in that it states that this is the total energy for both the front and back so am not sure at this stage how that translates to a single application area. I have a 10mW 635nm laser that I am trialling. - From some of the videos on youtube it looks like the lasers are focused ie not the diffused version that we use for hair treatment. Am not not sure what would be best or what would work at this stage I am trialing my laser with a focused beam. On the thread about “pulsed lasers” I have been posting on a pulse generator that I am building for my laser helmet and am getting close to getting this working. That circuit would also be capable of providing the modultion for the fat loss laser that I am trying to build. |
|
PulseDrive allows you too cheaply, easily and instantly convert your constant wave laser helmet into a pulsed laser helmet. Just plug in PulseDrive and our Spectralight power adaptor in place of your old power supply and your done! Check it out for yourself at Spectralight.com.au |
|
Editor Total Posts: 97 Member Since: |
[ # 32 ] February 05, 2011, 03:50 AM Here is another interesting link: http://www.lapexbcspro.com/pdf/fat-liquefaction-effects-of-lll-energy-on-adipose-tissue.pdf BTW - I have been playing around with a 10mw 635nm laser modulated via a function generator at 1000Hz and not really getting any results. Have ordered a couple of 15mw 635nm lasers and will see how they go. |
|
PulseDrive allows you too cheaply, easily and instantly convert your constant wave laser helmet into a pulsed laser helmet. Just plug in PulseDrive and our Spectralight power adaptor in place of your old power supply and your done! Check it out for yourself at Spectralight.com.au |
|
The RejuvePlex anti-aging / hair loss topical is finally… by Nidhogge on 01/11/12, 8:57pm
|
|
|
|
|
The RejuvePlex anti-aging / hair loss topical is finally… by dZine on 01/03/12, 5:53pm
|
|
|
|
|
The RejuvePlex anti-aging / hair loss topical is finally… by Immortal Hair on 12/12/11, 5:23pm
|
|
|
|
|
The RejuvePlex anti-aging / hair loss topical is finally… by OverMachoGrande on 12/12/11, 4:38pm
|
|
|
|
|
Estrogen, Aromatase & Insulin by Gregsmom48 on 12/01/11, 8:45am
|
|
|
|
|
Estrogen, Aromatase & Insulin by Immortal Hair on 11/28/11, 8:37pm
|
|
|
|
|
Estrogen, Aromatase & Insulin by Gregsmom48 on 11/28/11, 8:59am
|
|
|
|
|
Propecia can cause permanent erectile dysfunction by Thicket on 11/22/11, 11:16pm
|
|
|
|
|
Pusing Lasers with the Spectralight PulseDrive -Intro… by OverMachoGrande on 11/07/11, 8:37am
|
|
|
|
|
Pusing Lasers with the Spectralight PulseDrive -Intro… by Zone on 11/07/11, 7:14am
|
|
|
