Can the IH regimen cause more shedding?
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July 11, 2010, 02:31 AM At least in the first month or so? Because I’ve been on it for maybe about a month now (the first 6 plus biotin), and I’m pretty sure I’m shedding more at the front (the only part where I shed, and the only part that not CRAZY thick). Is that normal? Maybe because the old hairs have to fall out to be replaced with stronger ones? I really don’t want to stop the regimen, because it actually CURED my acne. And I’m not talking about some mild, “maybe it’s a bit better” results, I mean a COMPLETE turn around within days of starting. These are real results that nothing else has ever given me, so I really don’t want to stop. BUT, if ONE of those vitamins can actually make certain type of people shed more (not everyone, but some), I’d stop taking that one while continuing with the rest of the regimen. Any thoughts? It MIGHT just be because I’m sweating more around this time of the year, but I thought I’d ask. |
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[ # 1 ] July 11, 2010, 02:35 AM I’ve found frontal loss in my own personal experience is due to environmental expoures or stress. Therefore meditation may help, and if you are not doing the curcumin and resveratrol combo that IH recommends that can help frontal loss too, as can phosphatidyl serine in higher doses. |
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[ # 2 ] July 11, 2010, 02:37 AM Good call on the PS (Phosphatidylserine) Mastery. I think that one month is honestly too little time to observe any difference in hair quality. Give any regimen a good 3 to 6 months, preferably 6. Hair takes a long time to cycle. |
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[ # 3 ] July 11, 2010, 02:53 AM Resveratol huh? I don’t have that one, since it’s not in the top 6. I do use the curcumin already though. Guess I’m gonna order some resveratol right after I’m done typing this! I think that one month is honestly too little time to observe any difference in hair quality Would you say that this goes for negative changes, as well? I know that it’s too early to notice any positive changes in the hair (unlike for the skin, which changed literally the day after I started). But what if one of those vitamins was causing me to shed more, would it also take 3 to 6 months for the extra shedding to start? Because if so, then it’s probably the very hot weather that’s the culprit. |
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[ # 4 ] July 11, 2010, 02:57 AM Thanks Nid - I just realised I’ve being doing something really dumb. Ive being going to Whole Foods almost every day eating their turkey piccol… (whatever) with steamed veggies. Sounds great right. Hmmn. Wel they cook it with canola oil and I just read I’s pice on fats naming Canola as direct 5AR increaser. I had great thickness after 6 months laser, but some frontal lack of regrowth. Since being in FL (maybe the heat) Ive had a lot of shedding that seems hormonally related, because when I meditate for long periods say two hours - there is none the rest of the day for at least 4 - 6 hours. So now I’m thinking the fri%*in crapola oil at WHole Foods EVERY DAY, sometimes twice a day (it’s a cheap food choice, by their standards) may have increased my 5AR numbers in that regard. That would also tie in with my contention that fats are key to this. Fats are signallers. Almost, in a sense but dont take it literally - akin to hormones. Any wise views to add ?? |
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[ # 5 ] July 11, 2010, 03:05 AM
Winter Heart - I think resveratrol is a key to many things, Life extension’s product choice is a good one. And dont underestimate the power of meditation or other healing arts like Tai chi. I am under so much sress right now that I am amazed I have any hair. As we uncover the mysteries of all the various factors, two things I know for sure in my case are will cause Hair loss…. And as for summer weather - humid conditions often suck for hair growth, maybe sebum related - anyone got any ideas IMHO. Fungal related? Someone get me back to Scotland! Good luck, and you may want to research Dr. Michael Colgan’s books - “Save your brain” and “Hormonal Health” if you want to learn more about PS. It’s not cheap… Good luck! |
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[ # 6 ] July 11, 2010, 03:34 AM And dont underestimate the power of meditation or other healing arts like Tai chi. Yeah, I guess stress might be a factor, though I doubt it’s a huge part of my problem in my case. But yeah, anyway, I just figured, if the extra shedding in the past month WASNT due to the vitamins, then it’s probably just the hot weather. Maybe because of how the sweat pushes the hair strands out when it comes out of the pores. I’ve also started using the laser messiah with 300 diodes 3 weeks ago (exactly per the instructions, 3 times a week at 20 min each time). Obviously it’s too early to see anything, so I hadn’t mentioned it in my previous post. I’ve taken some great “before” pictures though, so I’ll be sure to take more if I see any improvements in 3 or 6 months. But anyways, yeah, I was just wondering if it was even a possibility that the vitamins might cause extra shedding at the beginning. Even if it’s hair that’ll come back later on, I just wanted to know. |
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[ # 7 ] July 11, 2010, 03:58 AM Sounds like stress is not a factor for you then -good, and one can increase shedding on the laser to begin - I did for the first few days - but then it all thickened up well to about the 6 month mark till I dined daily with Canola oil and moved to a major city…. oops. DHT… In terms of your specific question could the supps cause a shed, I happen to know how environmental toxins can play an enormous role, as that is what my group specializes in. And there is a well reasoned argument to advance that the supps, beneficially assist you in detoxing. Part of that can create - especially in hot and humid conditions (akin to a mini sauna) - a release of toxins from your adipose tissue, which can cause your body to go into conservation. That, if you will is akin to a shock response, and then the body will focus more of its energy on key organs (as it senses danger) and to heck with skin and hair for example, who needs them? So a shed could occur for that reason. Another in my view, can be calcium related, as calcium will act to contract and if the calcium has bound on the inside of the cell to such an extent that the cells have become magnesium non responsive then you have established a greater sensitivity. Best remedy for that will be regular cell turnover combined with ongoing consumption of a good quality Magnesum supplement. Mg also helps with detox, but detox conjugation pathways are complex - requiring the right Cytochrome P450 anti oxidants, phase 2 conjugation pathway building amino acids and fibre to help pull it all out. PM me if you want more information. |
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[ # 8 ] July 11, 2010, 04:15 AM I started to take part of IH regimen 1.5-2 month ago (ecolonia kava, magnesium, res.+cur. and biotin) and will start to take the rest of the top six + iodine ASAP. I can see two different regrowth approaches or methods among people here- one is that scalp stimulating is followed by exessive shedding, the other approach is that hair loss cure will stop the shedding emediatley and the thin hair on the scalp will become thick and strong . |
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[ # 9 ] July 11, 2010, 04:37 AM and one can increase shedding on the laser to begin - I did for the first few days - but then it all thickened up well to about the 6 month mark till I dined daily with Canola oil and moved to a major city…. oops. DHT… Oh, I see. So the laser can actually increase the shedding at the beginning? But if some hair was shed because of the laser, that same hair will eventually come back if I continue the laser treatment for a couple of months, right? So actually, shedding during the first few weeks of the laser treatment might be a good sign?
So in that case, what would be a good way to deal with this? Should I take the supplements in lower doses for a while, and see if it causes the shedding to diminish?
I take the vitamin D3 supplements every day (from the IH regimen), as well as an extra 5000 IU softgel capsule once every 3 days… does that have the potential to cause anything like what you just described?? |
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[ # 10 ] July 11, 2010, 04:38 AM Hey nanas, what’s the name of that Chinese medicine you mentioned? I’d like to research it and see what I can find.. |
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[ # 11 ] July 11, 2010, 06:57 AM its called ‘Sheng fa wan’ or ‘Yang Xue’ , but There are other relative chinese formulas given due to specific problem which led to hair loss. for more you can read this : |
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[ # 12 ] July 11, 2010, 08:22 AM Winter - personally I’d stick with IH’s protocol. The D3 and K2 can only help with preventing calcification, at least until you get your D3 levels measured, as sunlight is likely better than synthetic. I would also add 500mg L Glutamine a day and N Acetyl Cysteine at 500mg a day as that way you will know for sure the body is creating enough Glutathione, and make sure you eat enough good quality lightly steamed vegetables for fibre. Personally I would definitely include eating some dandelions with that every single day. It’s a great detox support and superb for most people. And yes early on the shedding can be a good sign with the laser…, I certainly came back way stronger. And OMG’s intentions are 100% beneficial for all concerened. |
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[ # 13 ] July 12, 2010, 12:42 AM
The Antioxidant Boost product that we’ll have out hopefully in a few weeks along with the rest of the top 6 will have Curcumin, Resveratrol, and Sulforaphane in one capsule to be taken once with breakfast, once with dinner. Have high hopes for this one for general health as well as, ideally, hair as well. For more info. on Phosphatidyserine, and a good product to use: http://www.primordialperformance.com/store/phosphatidylserine_endoamp.html For negative and positive alike…I’d say that it’s too early to attribute it to any one thing. There are so many external factors, and sometimes it’s just time for your hair to go through a shed. Skin is, naturally, a lot quicker but hair cycles very slowly. I hope that helps a bit, but just from my personal experience, I try to give things a good 3 to 6 months to gauge its efficacy. |
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[ # 14 ] July 12, 2010, 10:16 PM I would just like to put in that I experienced shedding with laser that have not regrown yet at the temple area and Im at the end of my fourth month and I’m still staying very positive. Any treatment that works is going to make your shed…It’s the hard truth but it makes sense. The hairs were weak, they got to go. They can’t just stay there while new strong hairs pop up around them. Hair growing is a very slow process that can take up to a year especially if you shed. That’s why I’m wary of any product that offers Great Results! In as little as 4-6 Weeks!*. One month is too early to tell…Hell I’m at month four and I feel like I need at least double that time to see any real results. Also factor in stress, diet, and all that stuff.
*This doesn’t actually happen, we’re lying to you. |
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[ # 15 ] July 13, 2010, 02:01 AM Any treatment that works is going to make your shed…It’s the hard truth but it makes sense. The hairs were weak, they got to go. They can’t just stay there while new strong hairs pop up around them. Yeah, I think I had it wrong in my head, I just thought the weak hair would start getting stronger at the base (after about 3 months) without having to be shed. But from what I gather from this thread, it seems like the weak hair has to fall first, and it’s the hair that takes its place thats gonna be stronger. Makes sense. |
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[ # 16 ] July 14, 2010, 10:59 PM Yup and sometimes the hair might be WEAK so it might even shed twice before hair that the body feels is strong enough takes its place. I’ve heard the more you shed initially, the more responsive you are to that particular treatment. Weather the storm, it’ll be tough but hey you want that Danny Zuko fro or not my man? |
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[ # 17 ] August 13, 2010, 08:36 PM Thats it, i stopped the IH top six after 2 month because i got horrible shedding… |
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[ # 18 ] August 14, 2010, 07:20 AM Hot & Humid was for me a disaster. I also know other hair loss specialists who have moved to avoid such environments. I’m doubtful that IH regimen can cause shedding, but I do know that biochemcial individuality is an absolute imperative in supplementation. Also the hair shedding cn be when the body goes into conservation due to a preceived environmental threat or even as a detox mechanism. That last part is tonly (ironcially beneficial) way that supplementation may cause a shed. Gaunitz recommends at least a month of burdock and dandelion tea, with bentonite clay to help excrete. but agani I try to be even moer cutomized to individual needs. For me eating steamed dandelions every morning REALLY HELPS. I think that will help every one of you, due to the unmitigated positive effects it can have on the liver. Add some steamed pacific salmon and you might be flying! I bet the dandelion will reduce sheds - let me know… |
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