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July 23, 2010, 04:49 AM Anyone have any experience with, or an opinion on the X5? Bill Gaunitz is recommending it at his clinics as one of the handheld units they recommend for good results. http://www.laserhaircombtreatment.com/x5-laser-reviewed.html |
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[ # 1 ] July 23, 2010, 11:43 AM THANK YOU for showing me that, Jads!!! This absolutely is the information I’ve been looking for that shows that Gaunitz knows absolutely nothing about laser therapy. In the near future, I will rip that article apart line by line. Lines like this: “Dark to black hair usually can only tolerate 30 diodes of 635nm (3.5-5mW) energy at 2 x per week before overstimulation.” are just GOLDEN! HA HA HA! That is absolute bullshit -as proved by laser clinics and people with MY HELMETS! The science behind laser therapy in no way shape or form backs up that statement! I really had no idea that Bill Gaunitz was that stupid to make an article like that. That reveals all, though. He is a part of the rest of the lot that simply tries to “muddy the waters” for their own gain by spreading false, reprehensible information like that about laser therapy. He is a MARKETER -and he’s frankly a pretty good one because people fall for his horseshit every day. But your main point is this: The X5 doesn’t work -and that’s not me saying that… that’s from a past HUGE wave of people that tried it (especially at HairLossHelp). The science doesn’t back it up, either. If you read my overmachogrande.com site, you’ll understand why. 15 lasers -which actually used to be five lasers, each divided three times (I don’t know if they’ve changed it since then)- is NOT ENOUGH to achieve consistent biostimulation, and that’s the key to LLLT for hair loss. Bill Gaunitz is not a friend of the hair loss sufferer. He’s a damn internet marketer that has even hired someone to spam the forum with talk about his other devices (that fall outside the range of what he’s talking about with devices that work). ...And Spencer Forest markets their devices to all sorts of transplant surgeons, etc, so you’ll hear lots of people that know absolutely nothing about laser therapy tout it for reasons equally as made up as the one in Gaunitz’s article. I’ll get to work on a blog on my OMG site about the “window of energy” so you can see for yourself why what he has said in this article is not only patently absurd, but I feel to be purposefully manipulating -yeah, in my opinion for profit. Why else would you say something like that?! The data is already all over the place on the site, but I’ll try to put it together in a nice, pin point of light for you. -O.M.G. |
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[ # 2 ] July 23, 2010, 11:54 AM I should say this in conclusion: Just to sum it up, none of the results with the Sunetics G or my laser helmets would have been possible if what he said (probably for money, of course) is true. That’s what I can never understand about these morons… they aren’t ever happy enough with saying “I think that this will work very well”, or even “mine works better”. They repeatedly push it too far and -using a bunch of finagled stats, made up facts, and diode mumbo jumbo designed to confuse the reader into submission- take that extra step that says “The other products DON’T WORK”, when the “other products” have the greatest history of success PERIOD. So, this is just another bit of evidence of that! People in the hair loss industry saying whatever they have to do to keep you confused so they can make money off of you. It’s disgusting. Consumer advocate warning: stay the hell away from anything Gaunitz says from now on! |
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[ # 3 ] July 23, 2010, 06:54 PM ok, let me throw this out there. He says he ‘gets good results’ with it in his clinics. Are we saying he is an outright liar? The question really is, WHO do you believe?? Everyone has their opinion based on, personal results, other peoples results, studies and so on. For mine, this is where the waters really get muddy. I have nothing for or against Gaunitz. What I will say is that a lot of his offerings look solid, whatever ones opinion is on Fin and Minox. It’s detox, excellent nutritionals, product, laser and so on. (Actually, they don’t use propecia) OMG, I read in an older post of yours a positive plug for Gaunitz re his topicals and laser program. “Thats why he gets such good results ” was your comment. I do understand what you are getting at however with your comments about biostimulation windows. 15 mins 3 x a week doesn’t seem like an awful lot! I’m using a clinic device right now and that 30 mins 2x / wk. I reckon the reason a lot of people give up on LLLT is that results don’t come quick enough so it’s dumped for not working. And we’ve all been there! This, sadly, is the world we live in in 2010 though. “The I want it now generation” I see it every day at work with those pesky Gen Ys checking out your site. “Turn your hairloss obsession into a legitimate hobby” lol ... Gold! jads I’m downunder by the way, so I won’t be going to a Gaunitz haircenter anytime soon. |
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[ # 4 ] July 23, 2010, 07:19 PM Yes, I’m saying that he’s an outright liar -in his marketing that he’s engaged in. He may or may not actually have results in his clinic (not from the X5, though!), I don’t know for sure either way, and I have a problem trusting someone at all that lies about something else, but his marketing is B.S. I’m saying that yes, he’s saying things that aren’t true for more sales and more money. Now, realizing that he has a major tendency to be a major slimy, bamboozling marketer has unfortunately only been a very recent realization for me, so yes… I’ve said positive things about him. In fact, off the forums and either through email or phone calls -as Joe the Zix Guy, Nidhogge, and Immortal can attest- I’ve even said that I’ve now come to the conclusion that knowing what I know about him, I absolutely question the results he touts. As a consumer advocate, I don’t see any vindication for him with his sending that other internet marketer to all the other forums to create the aura that he has “magic diodes”, charging $2499 for a ONE DIODE laser device, supporting this X5 piece of crap by saying other vastly superior devices don’t work, etc. etc. etc. I’ve only looked into his statements with lllt, but something tells me he would show this same track record with the other elements of his regimen. In fact, Immortal has glanced over some of it and had failed to see how some of the things that he does could possibly have the impact that he’s claiming. So, I don’t thing it’d take too much digging to find eyebrow raising practices here as well. Now, that’s my opinion on his character. The fact that the X5 DOESN’T work worth a damn has been proven in the forums many times over. It’s easy science. The fact that my helmet, the Sunetics G, and a multitude of clinic devices -all with more than 30 diodes- DOES WORK has been proven many times over as well. That’s easy science, too. The only thing left for the consumer to decide is if Gaunitz is simply WRONG, or an outright liar (I remind you that he sells a one diode device for $2499, so I think the choice is obvious!). About the window of energy and the timeframe (and I actually say 20 minutes, not 15!), it has to do with diodes being locked into a stationary position at a fixed height over the scalp -something stand devices can’t do. The 20 minute timeframe gets right into the heart of the window of energy for a helmet built to the protocols I pioneered. A stand device with higher diodes and/or lens caps in which your head is free to move a little would result in a different amount of time to get that same energy -energy which an X5 could never reach, by the way! -O.M.G. |
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[ # 5 ] July 23, 2010, 07:36 PM By the way, I should stress that it always makes me SAD when I find out that someone that is a proponent of laser therapy winds up being like that! Ideally I’d like us to have a unified front, but that just can’t be possible because so many bad people are drawn to the low-hanging-fruit of this “hair loss industry”. It really breaks my heart, but this industry is so awful that there is bullshit coming from every direction. That’s why it brings me a little bit of pleasure to know that I’ve made at least somewhat of an impact on these guys -whether it be internet marketers, companies, or other forums. |
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[ # 6 ] July 24, 2010, 03:59 AM So now I’ve digested all that, handhelds or otherwise with diffuse light diodes using one or more lasers just can’t supply enough energy or coverage to be of any real benefit but for the odd, lucky person who has the patience to laser themselves into inertia for 3 hours a day ! If my clinic laser treatments are using 25-30 direct lasers, ( non diffuse diodes) for 30 mins, is that still ok? It’s obviously well short of the 100 diode setups with the Sunetics G or home made devices. Am I making sense?? lol They also sell an ‘at-home’ helmet with the same setup |
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[ # 7 ] July 24, 2010, 09:58 AM
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[ # 8 ] July 24, 2010, 12:03 PM The results he is claiming are coming from the other peices of his regimen, if that is even true. Saw Palmetto, Beta Sitosterol, all do a decent job of halting and reversing to a minor degree in many people(I halted on SP). The X5 is a joke and that is pretty sad that he went that route. The claims he makes are outright comical. I don’t know Bocaj, that huge testament thread over on Regrowth was pretty impressive and those people weren’t using Gaunitz’s side regimen. |
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[ # 9 ] July 24, 2010, 01:34 PM I’m not referring to LLLT..if that’s what you mean. Although we all know that in the clinics etc..other things are used. On Gaunitz..there’s way more than what you mentioned on his site. I’m not defending anything he says or sells..I’m just saying- might want to be careful about saying his won’t do much, when there’s not much evidence for a certain other regimen doing much, either. It’s like every expert has all the answers, and yet THE answers are still out there.
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[ # 10 ] July 25, 2010, 02:21 AM All that I can speak from is personal experience, so here is my story. Prior to OMG’s “laser helmet revolution” a couple years back, I was going to a laser clinic locally and paying $375 a month. I did this for a total of 6 months, and my hair was definitely improving. However, I couldn’t continue to afford it, and so I bought Spencer Forrest’s X5 Hair Laser. My results began to reverse, and it didn’t seem to be of any benefit. Knowing what I know now about laser therapy, it makes perfect sense really. You ought to have between 10 to 30 minutes of direct exposure over the areas that you want to improve on your scalp, and to do this with a small device that just has a few diodes would take hours. So, I wound up getting a refund on it and built my own helmet. |
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[ # 11 ] July 26, 2010, 12:00 AM pushing the x5 really undermines the company’s rep. i agree with nid, it would take literally hours and hours to reach the proper level of jules with only 5 lasers. which of course makes it pretty easy to ditch as a treatment. |
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[ # 12 ] July 28, 2010, 01:41 PM I have known Bill Gaunitz for almost 10 years now. He has had several products in his line which is not unusual for people running hair restoration businesses. He had been involved with most of the major manufacturers including but not limited to Sunetics, Erchonia, Spencer Forrest (X5) etc etc etc. Keep in mind he is first and foremost a salesman and he has been very successful with his business. Erchonia had made him their distributor for the hair loss laser, based on 635nm. Here is a classic example of marketing at work with the Erchonia unit: If you look, he has put our marketing with each of these manufacturers touting how “this one works”. I have also known Mark Kress of Spencer Forrest for a number of years and he is a wonderful guy. The X5 is fundamentally no different than any of the other hand held laser therapy products on the market, save the Erchonia which used a different laser frequency (again, 635). The difference between the handheld and the “full coverage” units is all about the amount of scalp that can be treated at one time. 5 lasers could deliver the proper amount of joules for about 5 sq cm of scalp in about 10-20 minutes but only if it were not moved. In short, ignore the marketing, it is meaningless and even a bit of what I call “sociopathic medicine” in that the marketing people in this field will believe the marketing pitch they are giving. We have good, solid FDA studies now along with years of clinical data for several products. Use your gut instincts about things like this, it is usually right. I have people I trust in this industry and those that I do not. I work with the ones that I do.
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[ # 14 ] July 28, 2010, 08:31 PM Nah, he’s just saying that he’ll say anything he wants to promote his “device du jour” -science being trumped by his desired marketing ends. |
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[ # 16 ] July 29, 2010, 09:25 AM Exactly. I would not presume to have full disclosure of his credentials in this field (hence why I post mine for clarity). I only state that like any good salesman, you sell what you have which is what Bill does very well. His job is to make money. This is what differentiates a medical (read accredited MD or DO) hair loss clinic from a drive-up cosmetic hair loss laser center. Ultimately, both may be effective but at least the MD/DO has a vested interest in your care and will choose from a variety of competing or complementary treatments for the uneducated consumer. In the case of this forum, it is much different since all (including professionals) are sharing their methods and devices for success. In the case of Gaunitz, for example, the only successful solution / package can be the one he sells and is promoted as such. The relative success of his technology / plan to any others offered is most likely no better or worse than, for example, that offered by any other non-medical hair clinic. When you distill this whole thing down, its all about laser area coverage, amount of energy provided and the ancillary “stuff” is best judged by peoples first person stories of success. |
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[ # 17 ] July 29, 2010, 05:03 PM “This is what differentiates a medical (read accredited MD or DO) hair loss clinic from a drive-up cosmetic hair loss laser center.” But then you say both may be effective..so I’m not seeing the huge difference there. You can’t tell me there aren’t medical hair loss clinics out there trying to rake in as much $ as possible. My guess is they often are more expensive. I don’t see the difference in forums either. They all have their “experts”...all have those who swear by this or that(in this particular one..it seems to be as you say: “the only successful solution / package can be the one he sells and is promoted as such”..my guess is you could say both don’t really think they have the only successful solution). And yet, surprise surprise, nothing seems to work for everybody else like it supposedly does for them. There’s http://www.hairloss-research.org/ ..a bunch of “experts”..they even sell things(I am NOT against selling things). Many of us have linked to them. They too really need to look into topicals, etc. |
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[ # 18 ] July 29, 2010, 11:29 PM My experiences with a ‘hairloss center’ (in Australia) have shown me several things: 1. As alluded to above, they are most definitely in the business of making money. And a lot of their clients are uneducated about hair loss, presenting a golden sales opportunity. The majority of the people who work in clinics have not themselves suffered from hair loss. Most will be sales people with little empathy for your specific situation. They are being paid to do a days work and following the formula laid out for them in their training.Nothing more, nothing less. Having said that, the person I am dealing with is reasonably sympathetic and keen for me to see results, regardless of whether I’m following their full program. I have said no to Propecia and both oral and topical minox. This is the basis of 95% of clinic treatment plans: A cocktail of meds, (supervised by your GP of course) LLLT, and a proprietary product line of shampoo, scalp cleanser and conditioner. In some cases other supplements as well. 2. The in-clinic, professional lasers do make the difference in my opinion. Coverage and the right amount of energy are the key, as already mentioned a number of times here and over at OMG’s own site. This is critical to their results! The meds may or may not aid in that result, dependant on whether you are a responder. 3. The up sell. Sales is sales! You will be offered expensive hand held laser devices to use at home “Did we tell you we have a special on lasers this month” They don’t tell you the potential cons of this option unless you ask and probe for information. Helmet devices are also available at 3-5 times the price of the hand helds. And of course there’s a reason for that. They are better devices. After spending 10-15 weeks on in-house lasers, they realise that a lot of folks will not have the money or the patience to continue the clinic visits and that’s when they sell you the hand held and send you home to keep giving it your best shot in the comfort of your living room. (OMG, you are right about that one) I think that it is unprofessional not to tell clients that the handheld units for laser may well be less effective - a lot less effective in many cases. It’s called ‘full disclosure.’ I will temper this somewhat by saying that a lot of the staff likely do not know which of the prospective treatment options is actually providing the result. It’s a kitchen sink approach. This goes to the earlier point: they do not know enough about what they are selling and or have enough technical education in hair loss. I guess at least Bill Gaunitz ‘was’ a hair loss sufferer. But perhaps, as suggested, now he is more of a salesman. At the end of the day, some of the more educated clinics will know that the helmets and in-house devices are better but they don’t practice full disclosure with their clients, instead preferring to make the easy sell. This is clearly an issue in some clinics I would suggest. Which leaves me with one question? Why not make the clinic laser treatments a bit cheaper and do it properly!!! As a postscript: The 10 week check at my clinic has offered very promising signs. Significant reduction in scalp DHT, aside from a temple area on one side that is still affected somewhat. They appear stunned that my scalp could be looking quite this good in such a short timeframe without the aforementioned meds. Seems I’m looking like their poster boy for the ‘natural’ way. |
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[ # 19 ] July 30, 2010, 08:40 PM I had the opportunity to speak to Will and found him most personable. He did not appear to be after money and certainly did have a hair loss problem, and appeared to do well in overcoming it. I was also impressed by the point OMG originally referred to in praising him, in that he focusssed on all elements, including detox of the body, scalp health, probiotics and of course diet. All those things make good sense to me. In my due dilligence I found he had a good better business bureau rating and, while your mileage may vary, he seems to care about clients and be passionate about exploring new avenues too, particularly as it relates to our environment and diet, and their effect on all of us. In my experience, both in studying Environmental matters at University and as many of you may have picked up on! - environment (inc. diet) seems to be the # 1 thing that affects my hair loss or regrowth. I dont know anything about WG’s marketing though. As OMG has rightly stated he does seem to have a different view about the possible consequences of using as many diodes as we do with OMG’s excellent helmets. However, I am in no way qualified to comment on this. If my lay person reading of that is correct it might help explain why he seems to be more open to the ones that may not work for most on this site. I’m afraid, I just don’t know… One thing I do know, is the gentleman who saved my life in my early 30’s always told me, he was confident only about the degree and amount of what he did not know. In other words I think, as OMG has rightly said, we are all exploring finding the solution to this together and I am sure there will be new variables come to light over time. I just wonder if there is any evidence of whether there is any biochemcial individuality for positive / negative responses to lasers? In other words do individuals who are more sensitive do better with lower total coverage in terms of joules (is it juoles?) OMG - do you have any views on this? That would be very interesting and appreciated… If so would it be by blood type, race, gender, skin colour. FWI - I’ve learned that I just cant use any kind of product that contains chemicals, but of course some others can do so just fine. Here’s another variable to consider:- would the permeability (or lack thereof) of the cell membrane, or the relative coupling (or uncoupling) of the electron transport mechanism, or the relative mitochondrial (dys)function effect how two diffferent people may respond to LLLT. I ask as I recently had these markers measured in my system, and then discussed them with Life Extension. Together with a lymphocyte sensitivity panel showed that I once again became highly sensitive to certain chemicals. Hair loss has sucked ever since then… - special thanks to OMG and Immortal for arming me with new ammunition…! If anyone wants more information on these environmentally related aspects and tests please let me know. Life Extenion’s specialist that I saw give a preentation the other night suggested to me afterwards that Mitochondrial dysfucntion is likely to be the one common denominator of all, what I would call, early aging. (I gave him links to OMG & IH) Many thanks to all for these informative posts, and this great site OMG - terrific stuff! Peace to all…! |
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[ # 20 ] July 30, 2010, 09:15 PM Here is the difference that we are trying to convey: Do you remember when I made my very first laser brush? It had a whole crapload of forum interest. It frankly made me a bit of a celebrity if you want to be honest about it. People were extremely interested in it. Ok, then, after that… do you remember how I touted to the world how amazing and wonderful it was? Do you remember how I said that you don’t need any other laser device because this was the best one, it gave great results, anything other than this wouldn’t give results, and then I made up scientific evidence to back that up? No, you DON’T remember that part -it never happened. I didn’t say those things, and I didn’t make up facts to support something that didn’t work. What he is doing is completely against the fundamental concept that drives everything that I’ve done with hair loss, and is completely against the ideals of this site and overmachogrande.com. Maybe you can do it, but I cannot get past the fact that this guy has made claims that are STRICTLY SALES ORIENTED, are not truth-based, and DO NOT HAVE THE CONSUMER’S INTEREST AT HEART. There is no defense for that. Being nice on the phone makes no difference to me, either… I’ve spoken to some really nasty business people on the phone before in my life -people that I knew would cut your balls off if it meant they could make an extra dollar that day- yet they all could charm the pants off of you if you let them. They were absolutely wonderful on the phone or in person. That original laser brush that I made? It’s now an invaluable part of the mementos on my main desk:
...And after that, he gathered together some work that he’s taken from others -some good, some not- and that’s great. Fantastic. But I can’t get past the rest because it goes against everything that I’d do. The X5 should be a memento on *his* desk, and nothing more -not have some article written about it like that. That’s all I really have left to say about it. -O.M.G.
There should be no doubt that Gaunitz was behind this “hit and run” posting from this dude. He came to all the forums and cut and paste this bogus story about magic diodes, how certain diodes are better, etc. [I’m working on an article to address “Common LLLT Deception”, and this is going to be featured, so stay tuned.] Oh yeah, not to mention he made some bogus other posts so his post count wouldn’t be “1” when he left. The website was even MYSTORYMARKETING.TV for god sakes -and had a guy wearing a headset microphone talking to audiences like he was a marketing guru! The site is down now, so either that was a part of the hit-and-run scam, or he wasn’t very good at it. This is such a sham now it should be obvious to everyone… it’s typical sham behavior! He butters up the moderators, says he’s a long term reader, throws in stuff about another treatment, then goes into his sales pitch. So, there you go. As people that go to forums to strictly learn about and fight your own hair loss, you should be INSULTED by this. People that FUCK WITH US in the forums deserve my fist up their nose. GAUNITZ REVEALED. The end. -O.M.G. |
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[ # 21 ] July 30, 2010, 10:17 PM Ok, you want ONE MORE before I zip it? lol… Check out THIS:
That’s insulting to us because we know it’s not legitimate, and they aren’t even being savvy enough to give us any credit. My god… PLEASE, step up your sham a little! This PDF might not be as profound to you AT FIRST as fake forum posting, but read what Gaunitz is saying about the diodes (and the “Radio Shack” line), and how he’s defending the cost of a $2500 one laser diode device. Then, read what “Gary” says, and notice how Gaunitz ducks out of the argument. Let all of that gell around in your brain for a month, then come back and read this again and you’ll want to slap his mother. But yes, to answer you guy’s questions… I have an “Enemies” folder on my desk with a thumbs down icon. When people do this crap to us, I document it. I click one key and I make a permanent copy in PDF form that I can access whenever I want. Most of them I never look at again, but it’s really really really nice to have it in pinches like this when someone is telling me that some guy sounds nice and helpful on the phone and I need to PROVE otherwise. All you guys should do the same thing -whether it’s work or whatever. What’s really funny, though, is that I didn’t make a copy of this thread until today. There was a comment left YESTERDAY -on this thread that is a year and a half old- that proclaims Gaunitz as the wizard of hair loss:
HA HA HA! Yesterday! Look, I don’t believe in coincidences like this! We start talking about this, and someone pops on that thread after a f*cking year to say Gaunitz is a hero -and the X5 is proven?! UGH…. I’m just telling you guys, this is not someone that is a positive force for us in the world of hair loss. I hope I’ve proven that to you. Everybody reading this thread knows the X5 does NOT work, that Gaunitz has a track record now of this sort of stuff, and then this guy magically appears saying that Gaunitz is a hero and the X5 kicks ass! Sometimes it just doesn’t get better than shit like this!!! HA HA HA! I’m quite done with this topic now! Everything having to do with Gaunitz now is exceedingly NEGATIVE and surrounded by this marketing sham crap, and I like being POSITIVE. We need to continually cut away this “dead weight” in the hair loss world because we can’t advance when we’ve got some marketing guy saying something for money -or someone that has guys out trying to build him up on the internet or whatever. We just don’t need it! So, let’s all be positive and let this guy go down the tubes on his own. I don’t want to even see his name again. -O.M.G. |
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[ # 23 ] August 01, 2010, 05:45 PM See, I wouldn’t know that. I only go off of what people tell me, and my jaw is permanently bruised from hitting the floor so hard. The way I classify things is “affordable” or “too expensive” -and both in most cities would qualify as “too expensive”. -O.M.G. |
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