Sneak Preview of Immortal Hair Supplement Line!
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July 25, 2010, 03:02 AM Release time should be in August, things are moving along very smoothly. I’m stoked!! Hopefully you guys like the labels…I spent quite a few hours designing them. Smile All of the materials and labels are at our manufacturer’s, so it’s just a matter of time before they process the order and ship it out. All ingredients are pharmaceutical-grade where applicable, our distributed is c-GMP certified in Germany and China (Germany GMP certification is very difficult to obtain). Still working on pricing, but expect it to be incredibly competitive with what you find on iHerb (and yes, this would be taking into account the VIP discount). We are doing a lot of roughly 100 to 110 of each for the first run, and have a couple other cool ideas in the works for near-future supplements. Absolutely no artificial fillers or preservatives; every cap save the Antarctic Krill Oil is vegetable, and the filler (microcrystalline cellulose) is plant fiber. No Magnesium Stearate or other associated garbage. We were real picky about the ingredients that we used, as well as the quantity that we selected per pill (half-lifes taken into account, etc.). These will be sold on this site, however, they will also be sold on OrthoNutrition.com when the site is ready. There will be no mention of hair loss on these bottles, so nobody has to be worried about their significant other or roommates asking questions as to why they’re taking “hair loss” supplements. Any questions, shoot away! Here are pics of the labels: |
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[ # 2 ] July 25, 2010, 08:15 AM sound like quality supps…what are the expected prices? |
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After 5 months of nothing, my new regimen as of mid December 2011 is below:
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[ # 3 ] July 25, 2010, 08:26 AM Way to go IH and Nid - should make life a lot easier and better for many people… Congratulations guys - it’s great to see people following through… Don’t forget to do a happiness supp too as it’s recession! How about something like:- Looks great! |
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[ # 4 ] July 25, 2010, 12:03 PM I’m confused..I thought this was going to be a combo- everything together..these are things you can already get elsewhere. I guess they could be cheaper..but..the combo? I also don’t get why you’re using that krill oil or EC, as they’re not even IH’s first choices. I posted about that krill many moons ago..I think it’s good stuff..but…. |
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[ # 7 ] July 25, 2010, 10:11 PM Nid your labels look great! You did a fantastic job pulling the whole thing together. Congrats! |
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[ # 8 ] July 26, 2010, 10:21 AM Fixed that trainwreck of a post for you! HA HA HA!
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[ # 9 ] July 26, 2010, 09:21 PM Thanks guys, appreciate the kind words. (and thanks OMG for fixing the original post up!) To answer some questions… - Expected prices will be competitive with iHerb.com. The AntiOxidant Boost and ECE will be the highest priced due to the multiple actives in the Boost formula and the price of the ECE, however, nothing too steep (I think the low 20’s). I have to crunch the numbers once we get our label pricing and the price to have the product shipped from our manufacturer to me (I’ll be handling shipping), and then come out with final figures. - Bocaj: In the future, that’ll be offered as well. I tried real hard to make this a reality, however, the only affordable option would have been for our Chinese manufacturer to handle it, and with the small quantity that we can afford to make of each product now it just wasn’t doable. I looked into a number of other avenues as well, both local and foreign. So meanwhile, figured we’d make better products than the competition and, at the same time, sell them for cheaper or the same price. We’re using this Krill since Neptune will not deal with us unless we’re selling in a combo pack, which as you know now isn’t realistic right now. The reason is, internet retailers were undercutting local retailers (thus pissing off the local retailers and costing them business), so they cut off the internet-only retailers altogether. However, they were willing to do the combo pack thing, but after researching Azantis, I’ve become pretty fond of these guys. Regarding the ECE—I’ve spoken with a few customers and a guy who had some of his friends and family on it and the results were really inspiring (two guys that were on Viagra no longer needed it after 2 months of usage, lady with high BP was almost at a normal level within weeks, and this guy himself had drastically lowered his high BP). Seanol-F is similar to how pharmaceuticals are made…they take one part of the spectrum, amplify it, and throw out the rest. I personally believe that it’s better to get the full-spectrum nutrient, as it’ll be more beneficial in the long run. The stuff’s not cheap by the kilo (our most expensive in fact), but I’m looking forward to using it and seeing what others think. This is the only product to offer high dosages at appropriate times (roughly 12 hours apart, honoring the half-life of ECE). 1…. We will eventually put out a liquid multimineral formula, most likely with only a few key minerals such as potassium, zinc, and magnesium. We’ll also be selling TJ Clark’s Colloidal Mineral formula, and for the happiness thing—good idea! Some natural stress reductive formula with Ashgawanda and a few other things in it at therapeutic amounts would rock. Mastery… That’d be real expensive to make such a formula with those actives, but it’s possible to make something effective. Definitely worth exploring down the road! |
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[ # 10 ] July 26, 2010, 10:14 PM Sounds good Nid…! - and yeah, the good stuff ain’t ever cheap. Look up Colgan’s brain formula’s http://www.antiaging-systems.com/PRG-40/bio-enr-gy-c-vitamin-c.htm for when people have excess money… |
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[ # 11 ] July 27, 2010, 01:51 AM Great links there Mastery, some real good stuff there!! I may have to hold off on releasing D3/K2…I want MK7 in there and we’ll have to wait till we need to reorder ingredients to buy it (it’s not cheap, plus the cost of shipping and wire transfer…gotta be as economical as possible to keep costs down). So it’ll have D3 and both MK4 and MK7 in therapeutic quantities. |
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[ # 12 ] July 27, 2010, 12:14 PM Nid..I think a Chinese company would be the last one you’d want to go with..even if there are some “good” companies out there. On the krill and EC, I guess maybe it would have made more sense to talk about them and promote them all this time. Instead, even as of late, it’s that Nutricology type product and Neptune that are “the best”. Looks like a downgrade just to be able to sell the stuff. Could have just had a sticky on the best prices for Neptune, etc. Even work with an online store that already sells them to get some profits out of it. I’m guessing you weren’t able to get that standardized EC as in Nutricology, either? Same with curcumin..there are some better, more absorbable forms out there. Etc etc. Hmmmm..have .Biopharma Scientific put everything in a shake mix….
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[ # 13 ] July 28, 2010, 01:11 PM BTW..if you get Swanson’s catalog you’ll see Roger Drummer, who you’ve mentioned..in there. Promoting this http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWR053/ItemDetail?n=0 (only 53mg) So I guess it depends upon who you want to believe..or trust. Extracts like these or something like Nutricology’s. It’s probably not going to make much difference either way..for hair anyway. Might as well go with the cheapest(but good quality)..no? |
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[ # 14 ] July 28, 2010, 04:18 PM Our Chinese manufacturer is both GMP certified in China and Germany. German GMP certification is far more stringent than even American, and I was referred to them by AixiZ as Dr. Maricle’s wife did business with them for a few years on behalf of a doctor in America that was selling mineral and vitamin-based supplements. Took a long time to find a good, trustworthy source, but I’m not worried at all about the quality. I have been pretty busy with this stuff amongst other work and research unrelated to this, so I haven’t gotten around to talking about these brands much unfortunately. That ECE that Roger Drummer is supporting is, I’m pretty sure, the same exact ECE that we’re using (I think this because I found out about Roger Drummer through our ECE company). Just a much smaller quantity per capsule, and half the pills (plus fillers that I’m not keen on). The Nutricology extract is about the same price per kilo, so it really just came down to me having to make a decision behind something that’s more of a full, natural extract or a somewhat synthetic derivative. If folks don’t take well to it, we can always change course in the future. Point being, we could sell Nutricology’s if we wanted to. Curcumin 95 actually absorbs very well…I spent some time on deciding what course we were going to take with Curcumin and looked at the liposomal options and all sorts of things, but the scientific studies that I went over convinced me enough that it’s a good route to go particularly in combination with resveratrol. The sulforaphane I threw in just so that we can get some indirect antioxidant action in there as well. |
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[ # 15 ] July 28, 2010, 05:06 PM Well I’d like to see that Dr. or company bragging that his products are made/sourced in China! I’m sure Curcumin 95 is fine..I just read things like “A patent-pending method using small particle size, turmeric essential oils, and phospholipids ensures that CuraMed™ delivers a curcumin that is up to 10 times more bioavailable than cucumin 95%, and 6.3 times more bioavailable than curcumin with lecithin and piperine, as well has having an 8-12 hour retention time in the body. ” (that’s just one example)...and if the price isn’t too crazy, I’d rather go with something like that. It’s like going from fish oil to krill oil. Fish oil is fine…krill oil is a step up. Well, actually some of the new lipo/nano fish oils could be just as good, if not better..than krill oil. Anyway..good luck with it all…..... |
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[ # 16 ] July 28, 2010, 08:03 PM Based on user feed back as well as research the BCM-95 curcumin proved not to be as viable as curcumin 95, at least for the purpose of our aim. In other words, it did not appear to be as well tolerated as curcumin 95. Interestingly, this appeared to be the case for both cancer treatment patients and hair loss sufferers. I believe in part, this is due to the hormesis effect of curcumin, because as it seems there is too much of a good thing when it comes to curcumin. Of course there is always a liposomal delivery (phospholipid based variety), that we can consider down the road. I haven’t had any issues with it personally, and its half-life is quite similar to BCM-95
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[ # 17 ] July 28, 2010, 08:23 PM There have been complaints with just “plain” curcumin as well. If I remember correctly, it was thought the amount was the problem, both with the regular and liposomal types(Meriva is another). If that’s the case, just put less in a capsule. I never had a problem with the Meriva etc. Did anyone ever stick it out anyway? There are quite a few -shedding is better- folks out there. Not sure where you’re getting the cancer info from..LEF and others don’t seem to be having a problem with it. I won’t get into the feedback on the other things discussed above… Edit..I just read a long thread over at your site, quite a few on the potent LEF product didn’t have any problem. So who knows…. |
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[ # 18 ] July 29, 2010, 02:23 AM Bocaj— Ya, I figured considering the half-life of Curcumin, it’d be better to divide it up into two doses that are roughly 12 hours apart in a normal day (breakfast and dinner). I’ve spoken with Meriva and Curamed both and they had a reasonable bulk deal for us, but unfortunately, wouldn’t work with us on creating proprietary blends with other actives in the same capsule. Roger Drummer’s stuff is made in Canada, not China. The Stabilized R-Lipoic Acid and Krill Oil are American manufacturers, ECE is Canada, Vitamins, Curcumin, and Resveratrol are from that particular manufacturer that I was talking about in China, and the Sulforaphane I am sourcing from the top Sulforaphane manufacturer in China. Not cheap stuff! Fortunately, the guy that I was working with had a professor that has been studying Sulforaphane for 10 years in China and his professor recommended 2-5 mg a day. So, we put 5 mg in a capsule, and recommended it twice a day. |
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[ # 20 ] July 30, 2010, 07:55 AM
Can you post some info on MK7?
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[ # 21 ] July 31, 2010, 09:53 PM Here are a few educational links: http://products.mercola.com/vitamin-k/ http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/07/17/cees-vermeer-interview.aspx From the second link: MK7 is a newer agent with more practical applications because it stays in your body longer; its half-life is three days, meaning you have a much better chance of building up a consistent blood level, compared to MK4 or K1. MK7 is extracted from the Japanese food called natto. |
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[ # 22 ] August 01, 2010, 05:03 PM Nid..I was referring to the other Dr. you mentioned in the post..but just in general- ppl aren’t going to highlight that they get their stuff from China. But I really wanted to post about a couple of other new threads here talking about- shedding is good. Glad I shedded. Etc. I don’t necessarily believe that..but if it is the case, those using the “more powerful” or larger amounts of curcumin may not have gotten the chance to see how things would end up, had they stuck with ‘em. |
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