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August 25, 2010, 11:48 AM Hey guys ive been on for about 1 1/2 week and so far it does make my hair look better cosmetically when it dries but ive been having a getting case of flaky scalp to point where it itches a little. Has anyone else experienced this while on Super zix 2 initially?Just a phase or no? Im thinking maybe i may have too much ethyl alcohol mistakenly even though i followed the directions correctly maybe i did something wrong. Im going to throw away the batch i made and make a new batch. Any input would be helpful. |
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[ # 1 ] August 25, 2010, 02:41 PM Hey ya, Are you using clay on your scalp at all? Tritium |
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[ # 2 ] August 25, 2010, 03:13 PM Hi Young balder. Start messing with the formula a a bit. Try cutting the alcohol in half. See if that helps. Make sure your shaking it up right before you squeeze the eyedropper so you’re not applying too much of the undissolved components as well. Experiment. Make small changes every week or so to the formula and see if that helps. That’s what’s great about making your own topical. You can tailor it to suit your body. |
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[ # 3 ] August 26, 2010, 05:10 PM Youngbalder… You know, I think I remember that actually from when I first started Zix way back in 2005 or so (not the flaky scalp, but the itch). I know Joe remembers that I blamed it on the alcohol. I actually used the original Zix without alcohol for the first few months because of that. For whatever reason, it stopped bugging me. I stopped everything for a period sometime in 2006, and then I started back on Super Zix II in about August 2007 and I no longer noticed it. Soon after that, I started lasers and *all* itch was history. Anyway, I know my tale may not help you, but I thought I’d bring up that at first I was a little sensitive to the alcohol, but maybe that was actually because my scalp was in such bad condition. |
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[ # 4 ] August 27, 2010, 03:34 PM I’ve got another concern when it comes to Zix. I just bought the kit for super zix II, and was googling how to mix it when I stumbled upon a thread (i think regrowth.com? It’s right there when you google it) where people were having issues with big sheds about 3 months in. It was being stated that initially the shedding was cut down and then it came back hard 3 months in. Now, I think most of them were using minox too, so they were thinking it was the zinc counteracting the minox so I guess the dependence kicked in because the minox wasn’t working and the shed began after the minox was rendered ineffective. however, there was also some speculation on the damage topical zinc could cause if applied for a prolonged period of time. Some people thought that may have been a factor too. I know zinc is an antagonist of copper, so I’m wondering first of all if you guys think it could be potentially harmful in the long run and if lasering would produce enough SOD’s to balance out any copper/zinc issues while using zix. Maybe using topical copper (like one huy on there was doing) would be the key if this could be an issue? What do you think? Ease my mind please haha… |
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[ # 5 ] August 27, 2010, 04:29 PM Hey Yanks1, There is a lot of good feedback on Zix around here, including from OMG himself. Along with LLT it’s a great combo. Tritium |
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[ # 6 ] August 27, 2010, 04:31 PM Hi Yanks. I don’t care what treatment you use. If you hang out on these forums long enough you will run into people that will say a certain treatment caused them to lose hair. They say it for propecia, avodart, minoxidil, zix and even LLLT. Let’s put your mind at ease using some simple logic. The best story I have was a guy that worked in the carpentry field in the southwestern United States. He worked 6 and sometimes seven days a week out in the sun so he used a sunscreen that contained 2% zinc…..(This is 24-48 times more zinc than in zix). He applied it twice per day all over his exposed areas including his face and hair line for years and years and never did any of his body hair fall out and none of his hair at his hairline fell out. In the nursing home where I work we routinely apply a topical zinc cream to incontinent patients 4-6 TIMES PER DAY and never did the hair on their ass fall out either! I also have people that have been reordering zix kits for years so obviously they feel the treatment has been helpful in the long run as well. Shedding…anything that works can cause a shed. And you’re right….a lot of sheds can be linked to the stopping of another treatment such as propecia or minoxidil. I’ve even heard the reverse. The stopped zix and went on propecia and after 6 months they had less hair! Hope this helps. |
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[ # 7 ] August 28, 2010, 04:33 PM Zix Creator- Thanks for the input i will try and tweak the formula so i can see if there is any difference. I think i did find the part of the culprit though. One of the supplements i was taking caused some inflammation. I stopped zix about a week now and my hair is still flaky my guest is wasnt only the zix. |
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[ # 8 ] August 28, 2010, 05:13 PM Hi Youngbalder. Yea I understand completely what you go through. When you have several things in your regimen, and something goes wrong, it’s hard to figure out what might be the culprit. I’ve had stuff like that happen to me as well. |
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[ # 9 ] September 21, 2010, 07:11 PM Zix creator- Im going to try and mix another bottle superzix 2 with less ethyl alcohol. How much is too little Ethyl alcohol before before it loses its effects in terms of applying to the scalp? |
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[ # 10 ] September 22, 2010, 09:45 AM Zix Creator- I think i made a mistake first time around when adding polysorbate 80. Correct me if im but i used a dropper to add the Poly 80 instead of using drops straight out the bottle it came in the first time around . So this time i used it straight out the bottle. Also with the ethyl alcohol instead using 1/2 oz, i used 1/4 oz to see if my doesnt feel too dry. |
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[ # 11 ] September 22, 2010, 05:21 PM Young balder. I saw your post on regrowth.com but didn’t have time to respond. I see today it has been removed! Unbelievable! What is fundementally your problem right now with super zix II? Dryness? Itching? Flakiness? Or is your scalp too oily? |
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[ # 12 ] September 22, 2010, 10:37 PM Zix- Right now my problem right now would have to be flakiness. |
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[ # 13 ] September 23, 2010, 03:51 PM I would start by cutting the alcohol in half. If that doesn’t help, cut the polysorbate 80 in half. If that doesn’t work send me an email and we’ll take it from there. Also are you sure it’s flakiness or is it residual left on your scalp from the super zix II? There will be residual left on yor scalp because all the components do not fully dissolve. |
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[ # 14 ] September 30, 2010, 08:29 PM Zix creator- Just an update Ive been using zix 2 for about a for almost two weeks now reducing the amount of alcohol by 1/2. Ive noticed that it does take longer to dry about 20 mins and also less itchy scalp. I do still get some flakes but looks like residue more than dandruff. So overall i think cutting the alcohol in half improved the way my scalp felt after applying the super zix. Can Poly 80 cause a drying effect on the scalp or no? Thinking of cutting it in half just to see wat would happen. |
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[ # 15 ] October 01, 2010, 12:47 AM There will be residue left from the undissolved contents. This is what I think you are seeing. Yes polysorbate 80 can have a long term drying effect for some people. You could try eliminating it next time you make a new batch because there is still some polysorbate 80 in the hair muck. Keep tinkering with the formula until you get it to the way you want it to be. |
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[ # 16 ] October 01, 2010, 02:38 PM Zix- I definitely will try and cut poly 80 in half. Um also the weirdest thing is that my hairline gets really flaky. You can really tell bcuz there is a white crust outlining partnof my hairline. So I’m thinking maybe it’s the poly 80. Do you think the formula will lose it’s effectiveness seeing that I’m lowering standard amount? |
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[ # 17 ] October 02, 2010, 09:17 PM Hi Young balder. We don’t really know. I suspect not but I can’t really say. What I can say is that hair tends to grow back when you scalp “feels” good. This is not always the case but usually it is. Like I said before though I think you are seeing residue from the undissolved contents. How much these undissolved contents contribute to the benefit is another thing I’m not sure of. Perhaps some of them gradually break down and slowly get absorbed over many hours. Again I suspect this is not the case but I am not really sure. Keep playing around until you get things to where you want them. We can even eliminate the undissolved contents if it comes down to that. So let me know how you’re progressing. Making a perfect formula for you personally will take some time. Stay at it. The benefits long term are well worth it. |
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[ # 19 ] October 07, 2010, 04:13 PM I know he’s still working on it! I forgot the exact status, though, but he’s still working on the Zix Bayberry! |
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[ # 20 ] October 07, 2010, 06:56 PM Hi Wookin. I have no excuse as to why the formula is still not ready other than pure laziness. I’ve been experiencing an unmotivated period in my life for the last 51 years. It’s coming. Give me a little more time. Sorry for the delay. |
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[ # 21 ] October 10, 2010, 10:36 PM Hey now, no worries good sir. Dont be so hard on yourself! Im looking forward to giving it a try but not in dire despair . I was just curious is all! I fully understand the lazy factor-sometimes there is just more fun things to do ! Whenever it is released, count me in! I like your topicals, inexpensive, simple, and effective! |
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[ # 22 ] October 11, 2010, 11:49 PM flaky scalp - - ? - for me it was those massalezia yeasts (spelling?) all related to sebum and dermatitis, and I fixed it with sea buckthorn shapoo, aloe shampoo, in alternate combination with nizoral and sea buuckthron essential oil scalp massage, as well as improving diet still further. So point being don’t overlook the possibility that you could have a scalp condition not caused by zix but caused by stress and sebum, in which case polysorbate 80 (or 20) may help you. Just my 2 cents. Scalp health is key - that fine balance btw too oily and too dry. |
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[ # 23 ] December 17, 2010, 02:56 AM Hi guys. First post here. Thanks in advance and sorry for my English |
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[ # 24 ] December 18, 2010, 07:59 PM It’s not that simple. You need to extract the bayberry in alcohol first. Furthermore it doesn’t combine chemically with the rest of the contents in super zix II. Hence this is much of the reason for the delay. |
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[ # 26 ] December 20, 2010, 06:00 PM Hi Kraken. I can only take you as far as my experiments have taken me thus far. I also have no excuse for my own laziness in finishing up this formulation. There are two problems I anticipate with the formula you’ve provided a link for. The first is the alcohol content will be too high. Over the long term using that high a concentration of alcohol will fry your scalp and hair. It will not cause you to lose hair or accelerate MPB but it will dry the crap out of your hair, leaching out all the oils and making the hair look cosmetically thinner. As a result you will abandon treatment long before it ever has a chance to actually work. The second problem is that the formula will be a murky mess and not meet the standards of a “stay on your scalp” treatment. I suppose you could fix this problem by properly straining the brew but I think I have a better and easier way. Take the bayberry and make a tea bag out of it using coffee filters. Put a tablespoon or two of bayberry powder in a coffee filter and tie it shut with a piece of string. Actually make a bunch of these tea bags. Put the tea bags in a mason jar and fill up just enough alcohol to cover all the tea bags in the jar with 95% ethyl alcohol. (see if you can obtain Everclear at your local liquor store). Close the lid tightly. Leave it sit for a week or two. Remove the tea bags from the solution and throw them away. This will give you a bayberry concentrate that has no sediment which you can now dilute with water until you get an alcohol concentration of about 7.5%. This will solve the “hair frying problem” and the “murky mess” problem. It will mix up fine with zinc and b-6. But it will not mix up with the Hair Muck. So I would advise you make two formulas. One is the normal super zix II and the other would be bayberry, b-6, zinc. Figure out which one your hair looks the best after applying. Use that formula during the day and the other one at night when it doesn’t matter how your hair looks. The miracle seems to be that no matter how strong a concentrate of bayberry you make it doesn’t seem to precipitate back out when you dilute it with water. At least it has not done so thus far with my experiments. This “loophole” appears to allow us to make any strength bayberry we need yet still keep the alcohol content low. So it appears we can make a clean, sediment free solution that packs all the strength of the formula you linked to and yet still keep the alcohol content low. Hope this helps. Best of luck to you.
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[ # 28 ] December 21, 2010, 05:14 PM So far there have been no systemic side effects reported to me. I doubt it’s even possible. |
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[ # 29 ] December 22, 2010, 02:53 PM
Thanks for your answer, Zix |
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[ # 31 ] January 12, 2011, 12:11 PM @The Zix Creator |
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[ # 32 ] January 13, 2011, 04:43 PM I suggest using a lot more. Try to make as concentrated a solution as humanly possible. Remember we are going to dilute it back down with the zinc/b-6/disltilled water. I would try something like this: Empy your capsules into a coffee filter. Make a sizeable tea bag, Then put it into a mason jar. Then pour just enough ethyl alcohol to cover the tea bag. Then let that sit for a week. Then take out that tea bag and replace it with a fresh one. Add a small amount of ethyl alcohol just to cover the tea bag again. Then wait a week. Now you have a solution that is 70% alcohol or 95% alcohol depending on what type of alcohol you are using. Use this in the same amounts you would use to make super zix II (without the Hair Muck). Try this. |
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[ # 33 ] January 13, 2011, 06:17 PM You have to remember Waseda recommended using a formulation that had a high percentage of alcohol. (Greater than 50% if I remember correctly). Applying that high a concentration will dry out your hair and possibly your scalp. I don’t believe it will damage your follicles though. But I do believe it will become cosmetically unacceptable. Drying out your hair will cause the hair shaft to lose size and will give you an illusion that your hair has thinned. That’s why we need to start with a “super concentrate” so that once we dilute it with the distilled water/zinc/b-6 we will still have a reasonable concentration of bayberry. My experiments thus far have concluded that adding the water will not cause the dissolved bayberry to precipitate back out (become undissolved). Therefore we should take full advantage of this finding and use it to reduce the concentration of alcohol. |
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