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September 04, 2010, 10:08 PM Hello All,
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[ # 1 ] September 05, 2010, 06:34 AM If I had to narrow my supplements down i would take curcumin, resveratrol, beta sitosterol, and carlson’s cod liver oil. This combination works the best for me. This means I would be leaving out my multi-vitamin, vitamin d, and b12. I have found that fewer key supplements work better for me in comparison to swallowing a butt load of pills |
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[ # 2 ] September 05, 2010, 09:09 AM A chap called ImmortalHair has a top 6 list of supplements. It’s talked about quite a lot in the hairloss community and I believe that plans are under way to market it as a single pill. He’s present on these forums and has his own website that lists his current supplements. If anyone has a handle on hairloss supplements I’d say it ImmortalHair. But, I’ve had a look around myself and I’m not sure yet of the benefits of anything beyond a standard multivitamin/mineral and a good diet. For instance take Resveratol (not in IH’s top 6 btw), I’m on it now but after buying some I came across research that highly questions the bioavailability of it taken as a pill. Meh. So all in all I’m not very convinced, I can’t seem to find evidence (aside from anecdotal) that is particularly compelling for supplements. Certainly not to the level of confidence that you’d get with LLT and some topicals. My take on the matter is don’t eat crap, pop a multivitamin/mineral supplement and perhaps take a healthy oil (fish/krill/omega mixes I doubt there much between them). Otherwise check out IH! Tritium |
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[ # 3 ] September 05, 2010, 02:48 PM neutron, It varies with each person IMO and can get complicated. One person Ecklonia Cava may be best alternative while another could be Iodine/Selenomethionine while another could be no supplements work if mercury amalgams are still in mouth and/or root canal while another something for heavy metal detox while another could be something for aldosterone such as mag or potassium or celery seed extract, etc., while another no supplements work so long as consuming gluten while another could be resveratrol/circumin if under stress and another something to combat candida such as pine needle tea. A bit of a run on sentence, lol, but those are all viable alternatives and what works for one may not work for another so have to experiment. hope this helps |
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[ # 4 ] September 05, 2010, 05:56 PM JDP speaks wisely. The bio chemical individuality is astonishing. Read Dr Michael Colgan’s original text, Optimum Sports Nutrition, if you can get your hands on a copy. A legendary book. Jdp sums it up well, in that one would need to know what is going on inside you to get the right supplement list; it needs to be tailored to you. That being said Immortal hair is incredibly knowledgable about many of the common pitfalls of diet and environment that have led him to his summary list. And I commend his posts to you, as i do with jdp. JDP - would you be kind enough to PM me a way to send you an invitation by e mail please. I have travelled over 3,000 miles to be in a position to extend this invitation to you, but would need to do so off list. warm regards to all, M |
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[ # 5 ] September 05, 2010, 06:10 PM Neutron. You are bringing up a subject that could take a life time for someone to figure out. I have been experimenting with supplements for 30 years. Most have done nothing for me. Some have worked great. Furthermore I’ve even had severe side effects from things that were supposedly benign….stuff like omega 3 and fish oil. The fish oil side effects for me were almost flu like symptoms and body aches. I’ve stopped and started these type supplements on 4 seperate occassions and all 4 times these flu like symptoms returned. Yet I could find absolutely nothing on the net anywhere where anyone at all was suffering any sort of side effects from them! Then a few months ago I was watching TV and now a drug company was selling a concentrated form of fish oil you need your doctor to prescribe. At the end of the commerical they stated some of the very same side effects that I have had! So I wasn’t nuts afterall. To add to this whole thing….I’ve never liked eating fish! There is no type of fish I have ever craved or looked forward to eating. Is this my own body telling me not to eat the stuff? Is my body physiology actually smarter than I am? I recently started my second experiment with Coq10 and again the same type of side effects returned within days. Yet I know of no one else that has ever had any side effects from these type of things! The point I’m making is that every human being on earth has a unique physiology. So when you try something start with one thing at a time and evaluate it for a couple of months before you add something new. The IH top 6 is the best place to start. It has been well researched by IH himself and we do have a fair amount of anedotal evidence to suggest efficacy. Here’s another experiment that will blow your mind that I have tried. I experimented on the last food I eat before going to bed. I usually end up going to sleep about 2-3 hours later. I tried things like salads, oatmeal, organic breads, high quality cereals, various fruits, etc. etc. Then I would evaluate my energy level and how I feel when I wake up. Would you believe the thing I feel the best when I wake up after eating was a cheese burger! Now not a burger king cheese burger but good quality beef and good quality cheese and bread. The point I’m making is that although we as humans have similarities we are also all unique to a degree. Here’s the supplements (out of dozens I’ve experimented with) that seem to help to a degree for me: Easter C with bioflavanoids. Now I haven’t messed around with the IH top 6. (Well I think D3 is in the top 6). I’m waiting for nid to put together his line and then I’m gonna buy them off of him. But with the top 6 we at least have a whole bunch of people trying the same things at once. We will hear their input on how they feel. We will hear there input as to whether they have any side effects or not and we already have a track record to some degree of success from the routine. Furthermore there are some things IH has discovered that people did experience some side effects from and those have been eliminated….like oral beta sitosterol. With the IH top 6 we have the research to justify it’s use. We have anecdotal evidence and we have a system in place (this forum and IH’s forum) to evaluate benefits and side effects. Just my humble opinion for what it’s worth. |
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[ # 6 ] September 05, 2010, 06:17 PM HI Zix - I’m back on my mountain! I made it. No electricity connected, no wires, no water (yet), no heating, no lights, just acres of mountains, me and the dog - plus of course solar powered high speed internet, and more nature…. |
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[ # 7 ] September 05, 2010, 06:47 PM Hi Mastery! Sounds great. Maybe in the next life I’ll live somwhere like that! Kind of cool how you can be in the middle of nowhere and yet have internet access! On a more negative note…..I wonder how long it will be for all those remote places to get filled up now that there are almost no drawbacks to living there. |
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[ # 8 ] September 05, 2010, 07:57 PM well you have to get a ferry to get here, evenonce you reach the airport - which all helps keep it that way, isolated. Plus all the locals have drawbridge mentaility which used to scare non-hippies away. It took me a while to get used to it. re: internet, yes it cost a bomb, a look alike satellite dish, for radio wireless internet - and so while I have no water or lights I do have 100 MbPs internet. Can even watch movies… So I’m on my land no car noise, no neighbours, just mountains -and you guys. And two RIFE machines…! - one normal, one for feet. Zix - can you help me with this, I’m going to make a series of topical sprays and rotate them - and get input from one or two shamans I know. Be good to get an expert zix advised one in there too…. Would like all of them to be broadly anti inflammatory, anti fungal, anti microbial, (perhaps anti sebum / DHT) and rotate them to prevent resistance. Of course, no man made chemicals allowed… au natural, like my mountain. Do PM me if you would care to brainstorm… You see, like IH and jdp, I do very much think so much of this is diet and immunity related, but it will take time to turn my ship around and take it to the next level and restore my health after 100 + flights in the last 15 months, and with along term injury to boot, so I’m very grateful to another expert in the world of hair loss who suggested this to me. Drop me a line, or come visit… PS I just looked out of my window, adn while I can see for miles I can not see one house…! |
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[ # 9 ] September 05, 2010, 08:49 PM Hi Mastery. All I can tell you is that there is usually more than one rationale for everything in super zix II. Even the corn oil found in the Hair muck has a couple of reasons for using it. Two substances I have the most interest in that are not in Super Zix II are bayberry extract and black tea…..but I’m less interested in the black tea than I used to be. I’m also a pragmatist. I don’t like to stroll too far down the theoretical path. My focus is usually to block androgens in one way or another. Androgens are at the top of the chain of events that leads to follicular destruction in my opinion. So my focus is always to topically reduce them down to nil. To me, reducing DHT is just about the only thing we know for sure will slow the balding condition. Be careful with attacking inflammation however. To me inflammation means reducing blood flow. As crazy as that sounds I think that’s a great idea if we could actually reduce blood flow a bit. The problem is the body will adapt to the reduced inflammation and blood flow by making more blood vessels and more subsequent inflammation. (thank you immortal hair for this revelation!) So you could end up a few months down the line with just as much inflammation as before even though you are applying all these antiinflammatory things. That’s why I’m gradually losing interest in something like black tea. In my humble opinion it is better to attack the cause of the inflammation…DHT, bacteria, fungus etc. Alcohol kills bacteria and fungus so again these things are already in Super Zix II. Got some jock itch? Try applying a 10-30% solution of ethyl alcohol. It will go away rather quickly. Have an infected finger? Try soaking it in alcohol a couple times a day. See my point? Furthermore ethyl alcohol is a completely natural substance and we also have a really great study that showed it did not in anyway damage follicles…..even when used in concentrations much higher than in super zix II. Don’t know about how well alcohol works on demodex though. Now if you just want something that in theory would make a terrific antiinflammatory take a look at some degree of concentration of black tea…..it is an astringent and we have one study showing that oral use reduced DHT more than propecia. But again…..just applying something that reduces inflammation indiscriminately could be a mistake. I just don’t know if it would be a good idea. At least not at this point. |
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[ # 10 ] September 06, 2010, 12:30 AM marvellous post Joe - thanks. I’m just back from dinner, all doors and windows open, in the dark, Mahler 9 playing on lap top and tucked up to avoid the cold, yet loving the cold wind on my head. Agree with all of this that you say, but will respond more detail tomorrow when sun comes up, so I have light.. Thanks. M |
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[ # 11 ] September 06, 2010, 03:28 PM Thanks for the invitiation Mastery but I’ll have to pass. OMG knows me well and I prefer the anonymous nature of the internet. Much easier for me as I’ve gone the other route in the 90’s. Regarding diet, supplements, etc. can’t believe how the source of the problem is really pathogen based, IMO/IME. All these autoimmune/autoimmunish conditions that info on lectins brings up really is due to pathogens IMO/IME. Problem being the “extreme” amount of knowledge and “lots and lots” of experience it takes for the light bulb to finally go off. |
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[ # 12 ] September 06, 2010, 03:50 PM Hey Neutron, Soon we will be releasing our own line of natural herbs and vitamins designed to tackle hair loss. It will cover many of the bases, but I’d still recommend Iodine and supplementation, probiotics, etc. We’ll have a lot more information on all of this stuff in the near future. |
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[ # 13 ] September 07, 2010, 09:42 AM If I had to narrow my regimen down to just a few things it would be: Curcumin Expanding a bit from there I’d add in Acetyl-L-Carnitine, Ecklonia Cava, Ubiquinol and Green Tea. I’m leaving Vit D out since you can get it from the sun. I stopped taking synthetic multi-vitamins a long tima ago and instead opt for superfoods and large doses of fresh organic fruits and veggies. |
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[ # 14 ] September 08, 2010, 12:35 AM
thanks jdp well, for over a year now I have had white puss like substance coming out of my scalp when I comb it after shower. It sounds worse than it is, but still it’s not good. It also coincides with my thinning since April 2009. So I think mine has been fungal / microbial related. I did go through a 6 month phase when i first started using the laser helmet and the supplements from IH when it all thickened up again like crazy, but not right now. It’s bad now. So RIFE to the rescue… (and cleaning my scalp) JDP - Now with regard to the invitation, don’t worry you will not have to reveal your identity or meet me or even speak to me…! I just need a way of sending you a private dopcument. You will understand when you read it, and I trust you to hold it in confidence. many thanks. M |
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[ # 16 ] September 08, 2010, 08:08 PM very many thanks for this jdp. I will get my main lap top back tomorrow (and am also rather exhausted now), so will make sure I go over what I have to send you most carefuly before I send it later this week. thanks and warm regards, |
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[ # 17 ] September 17, 2010, 08:57 PM Zix Creator,
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[ # 19 ] September 23, 2010, 09:51 AM
I have been on various versions of the Immortal Hair supplement regimen over the past few years. A little over a year ago, I started the resveratrol and curcumin combo and my hairloss has stopped.
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[ # 21 ] September 23, 2010, 10:59 AM Hey all - feel free to comment on this list. I have been having excessive miniaturization since ~May. I have seen most of the hairs all over my head turn thin and then fall out. Luckily, I started off with a *lot* of hair, so I’m still doing well, although when I get out of the shower it looks thin. Since I do a lot of running and weight lifting, I’m taking the following: I am no longer taking soy extracts or phytosterols, mostly because the research to me is very murky and I’m not sure it’s good for my testosterone levels. Vitamin Supplements Daily: Training Supplements:
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[ # 23 ] September 24, 2010, 02:04 PM The curcumin+resveratol definitely helped and I’ve taken that for almost two years now. I know it’s a reason why my hair stopped falling out in clumps for a long time. Then again, about in May I started going through rapid minituriazation for some reason my doctors have no clue as to why. (Well, I’ve been going to specialists all summer and there’s a number of physiological changes in my body but they seem to ignore them and tell me I’m okay). The strange thing is that I am in much better shape now than I have been since 21, and I’m at a great, healthy weight for me. I think if you’re working out, you definitely need to stack arginine, and since it helps with blood flow, it’s a great candidate for those who suffer from hair loss. The magnesium has helped with my stress levels, I can tell you that. |
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