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September 06, 2010, 03:46 AM

I’v Been using Topical GSE 1-2 times daily for over a year now.

Lately i found out, reading a thread and then talking to a guy at IH forum ( who seems very legit & knowledgable) that GSE topically is a very bad idea.
He says that GSE is an aromatase inhibitor, which means you block estrogen at the follicle receptors and that makes androgens bind testosterone or dht instead, i dont know a whole lot if this is true or not but i do know GSE is an aromatase inhibitor for sure.

What do you guys think? appeartely GSE has anti bacetirial benefites but with that it can speed up ur baldness, it seems

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September 06, 2010, 03:46 AM

I forgot to mention Internal GSE is absolutely fine, btw.

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September 06, 2010, 10:06 AM

Well I don’t know anything about GSE. It’s one of those things that people have been rubbbing on their scalps for the past 5 years. Don’t know of anyone ever claiming benefit from it. But if it does effectively block estrogen this would be a bad thing for your hair. Estrogen is a weak positive in my opinion for hair and one of the reasons why we see very few bald women. Unfortunately rubbing estrogenic substances into our scalp also leads to increased estrogen levels and all those feminizing effects.

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September 06, 2010, 03:00 PM

Do you mean grapefruit seed extract or grape seed extract?

That might be the confusion….

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September 06, 2010, 04:45 PM

Grape Fruit seed extract

I’m still looking for comments guys? what do u think~?

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September 06, 2010, 05:15 PM

GSE is used interchangeably to refer to grapefruit seed extract and grape seed extract.  Two completely seperate things. 

The info at IH’s forum is in reference to “grape seed extract” and not what you’re using… “grapefruit seed extract.” 

To avoid confusion I should also mention that grape seed extract has been used for many years as Zix mention however believe I was probably the first to use grapefruit seed extract for hair loss and post info on internet a little over 2 years ago. 

hope this helps

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September 06, 2010, 06:19 PM

i dunno what ur talkinga bout jdp710

i was talking about grapefruit seed extract, i dont care how good is grape seed extract right now.
all i want to know is if it was bad using grape fruit seed extract topically

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September 06, 2010, 06:29 PM

Jdp is correct, you’re confusing grape seed extract with grapefruit seed extract.

Aromatase is the enzyme that converts androgen to estrogen. It is expressed at higher levels in breast cancer tissues than normal breast tissues. Grape seed extract (GSE) contains high levels of procyanidin dimers that have been shown in our laboratory to be potent inhibitors of aromatase. In this study, GSE was found to inhibit aromatase activity in a dose-dependent manner and reduce androgen-dependent tumor growth in an aromatase-transfected MCF-7 (MCF-7aro) breast cancer xenograft model, agreeing with our previous findings. We have also examined the effect of GSE on aromatase expression.

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September 06, 2010, 07:13 PM

Thank you FunkyStumpfighter.

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September 06, 2010, 08:01 PM

Jesus, im sorry - my bad

So i guess its ok to use Grapefruit seed extract topically?
What is best for hair/health overall (internally) grapefruit or grape ?

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September 06, 2010, 08:44 PM

I made the same mistake last year before I purchased my first bottle of grapefruit seed extract. Usually when people refer to it on the forums its GFSE, but Nutrabiotic calls it GSE on their packaging. Kinda a clusterfuck.

I cant speak to grape seed extract, but I have used GFSE both internally and externally with success without any adverse effects. It is a rather powerful antimicrobial, so you can’t go wrong with it if you’re trying to kill off some unwanted micro organisms.

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September 06, 2010, 10:00 PM

Undiluted, the extremely acidic PH also helps to decalcify when applied topically.

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September 07, 2010, 05:27 AM

Thanks guys

Iv been Using GFSE for over a year now internally and topically. i guess its safe to go on? its helping me vs candida
Is there any point to add GSE Internally? can a young male (well built) benefit from blocking estrogen? (muscle and hair wise)?  and also, refrain from GSE Topically?

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September 08, 2010, 12:28 AM

Would acidic water (as opposed to alkaline water) also help decalcify?

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September 08, 2010, 04:35 PM

Yes, lemon water or apple cider vinegar will.  But then again, those turn alkaline in your body, lol. 

Don’t know the complete answer though.

Regarding a topical acid, if you can get a very strong acid and apply it topically, it will decalcify that area.  I posted some info from a university paper that talked about this at one time.
 

Here is a “general” statement why us MPB develop calcification on our skull and “IMO” why those that talk about skull expansion is wrong but they are observing an effect of what’s going on. 

The calcification is a way the body uses to protect itself form such invaders.

http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1673774#i

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September 08, 2010, 04:46 PM

@jdp - Have you ever come across anything regarding ascorbic acid for this use? I’d imagine theres a fair amount of it in GFSE, and I’ve toyed with the idea of rinsing my hair with some ascorbic acid in water before a shower to maybe loosen things up a bit.

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September 08, 2010, 07:00 PM

Hey FunkyStumpfighter,

I don’t believe I’ve ever used ascorbic acid as a topical and if I did wasn’t for very long.  I know cuebreeze at HLF tried it long time ago but never reported back.  On CS’s forum it was either CS or another that tried it without any results.  I believe I’ve heard a few others try it without any results.

Regarding Vitamin C content of grapefruit seed extract, I have my doubts there would be any Vitamin C in grapefruit seed extract as it’s highly processed. 

My gut tells me grapefruit seed extract would work better as you’d be able to leave on for long periods of time whereas the ascrobic acid would rapidly breakdown.

hope this helps

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September 08, 2010, 07:23 PM

By the way, I’ve tried topical Magnesium Ascorbyl Phosphate, which is a derivative of Vitamin C, without any results

http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/natural-hair-regrowth-f1/my-hairline-is-getting-crazy-t1501-75.htm#16632

http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/natural-hair-regrowth-f1/magnesium-ascorbyl-phosphate-map-for-topical-use-t2036.htm?highlight=sodium+ascorbyl+phosphate

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September 08, 2010, 08:05 PM

fascinating, all so fascinating - it’s like the mainstream medical community is on another planet. And not an entirely impressive one.

I did think of Magensium ascorbate, as when I grew it all back in 1999 - 2003, that was a mainstay for me.

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September 08, 2010, 08:08 PM

Yeah, I was going to bring up MAP. I remember there being people who tried it out a while back, it was supposed to lengthen the root or something if memory serves. I was just wondering if ascorbic acid would be worth using the way one might use ACV, considering it’s so much cheaper. Not that I’m all that interested in using it that way, just figured I’d ask if you had seen any mention of it being used this way.

Besides, MAP is too expensive for me to even wan’t to experiment with.

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September 08, 2010, 08:32 PM

For what it’s worth, I believe topical apple cider vinegar and topical potassium chloride are very similiar as far as benefits and results.  At least that’s my experience… due to potassium. 

Fighting aldosterone is one of those very overlooked methods of fighting hair loss that actually works.  Minoxidil is just a cover for this.  Interstingly, one way to fight potassium deficiency is correcting thyroid.  Same with food sensitivities.  Once food sensitivity is corrected, potassium levels normalize again.  Just think of how many MPB sufferers have gluten sensitivity.  There are other reasons for potassium deficiency such as mag deficient and those with lyme can only tolerate mag malate.

What I’m saying is in regards to topical and/or internal ACV as discussed at IH’s forum, yeah, it will work but it’s tough to follow through the rest of your life.  Easier and best to correct real issue… aldosterone. 

Well, what I’m trying to say is I wouldn’t put too much stock into topical ascorbic acid. 

hope this helps

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September 08, 2010, 08:39 PM

jdp

I just listened to CS, and bought Iosol. Do i start with 2 drops once a day?
this is iodine in it’s purest forum right? should it optimize my thyroid?(i dunno if i have a thyroid problem)

And also, I picked up some ACV. How do i consume it? and how do i apply topically?