thSman

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February 04, 2010, 11:55 AM

I’m aiming this at Immortal but I’m sure theres plenty of others with some good knowledge on the subject.

There was a programme on BBC2 (UK) about antiaging,cant remember exactly what it was but I’ll find out and put the link up as it can be viewed up to a week on the BBC i-player.
It covered lots of angles and 1 was the antioxidant view.The guys they interviewed were leaders in there field and the guy who’d researched anti oxidants said that after many years there was no evidence that free radicals and oxidative stress caused aging.They said this would be a massive blow to the industry as it is multi million $.

Is immortals top 6 (I’m talking mainly about the anti oxidants) aimed specificly at hairloss and it possible causes or more general anti-aging.
I’m certainly not dissing Immortal here as I’ve just taken the top 6 on board (always done some of them )
but I’d like to see what you guys think on this.

I’ll dig the link out later this eve but I’m off to Muay Thai (1st time ) and it starts soon.

Laters

thSman

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February 04, 2010, 11:58 AM

OMG & Nid,
Ive not forgot about the diet article and the pics of the 500 diode monster,had alot on at work and affairs of the heart to deal with…...

thSman

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February 04, 2010, 02:10 PM

Heres the link for the BBC i-player.The part on anti oxidants is about 1/3 through.Its the guy with the full head of dark hair you looking for…..lucky f***er

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00qm7zr/Horizon_20092010_Dont_Grow_Old/

tonyj

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February 04, 2010, 02:31 PM

Here’s is a study on multivitamins with anti-oxidants.  The study was done on women and suggested multivitamins with anti-oxidants without the iron is associated with longer telomeres.

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/89/6/1857

tonyb

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February 04, 2010, 02:34 PM

Well I think radicals do play a large role in aging and degrading of body systems, why else would the body have so many mechanisms to counter and offset the radicals? The main idea ( I feel) in radicals and antioxidants is that of balance. Just as too many radicals can be bad, so too many antioxidants, or antioxidants in too high a concentration, can tip the balance of homeostasis in the wrong direction as well. Numerous articles have shown that too much of a good thing like antioxidants, vitamins or supplements, can cause deleterious effects just as too many radicals also do. So I feel the key is determining the appropriate levels or deficiencies and correctly tipping the balance back in the right direction. Since the body is in a constant state of change and adaptation, that can be a daunting task. So super duper mega multi this and that complexes, in my mind, are not going to be the key. But rather targeted supplementation with periodic breaks to allow the body to readjust its levels and processses, is going to be the key. Now determining what that targeted concoction is—that is going to be the holy grail.

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thSman

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February 04, 2010, 02:42 PM

The programme gave telomeres a rough ride to and they went onto say theyve progressed from them and have something new to go on,cant think what it is though.I’ll have a quick look back.

The programme is well worth a watch

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February 04, 2010, 04:55 PM

thSman - I’m quite confident that the person interviewed who believes free radicals do not cause aging, is wrong.  So, in other words, antioxidants are extremely helpful in delaying aging, it of course depends on what kind of antioxidants and catalysts one is taking.

I have three reasons to believe this:

(1) Clinically I’ve seen the benefits in thousands of patients.

(2) There are plenty of studies that show they improve biological age related markers.

(3) I’ve noticed dramatic improvements in my own health.

Aging itself is governed in part by the hormone of death, called insulin. Here is an excerpt from my own
page at www.immortalhair.org

Live longer and grow your hair by reducing your insulin levels.

Lowering your insulin isn’t everything, yet it is fundamental for everything else you do.  Insulin, as a matter of speaking is the “hormone of death.”  A study on mice revealed an interesting finding.  Genetically altered mice rendered in a manner that allowed their fat cells to be unresponsive to insulin,  ate as much food as they desired.  Despite that, they remained thin.  While they actually consumed 55 percent more food than the control mice, they had 70 percent less body fat than the control group.  Additionally, the genetically altered mice lived 18 percent longer than the control mice.  This study shows control of insulin is probably why calorie restriction helps with life extension.  However, it is the insulin control that is important, not necessarily the the amount of food consumed.  Insulin release is stimulated in response to grain, starch and sugar consumption.

Extended Longevity in Mice Lacking the Insulin Receptor in Adipose Tissue
Science 299 (5606): 572-574

According the results, published in the journal Nature, higher levels of reactive oxygen species (ROS) set off resistance, while low levels of reactive oxygen species decrease insulin resistance significantly.

Nature. 2006 Apr 13;440(7086):944-8.

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February 04, 2010, 09:04 PM

Definitely gonna have to side with Immortal here in disagreeance.  There’s just too much evidence present to say that ROS isn’t involved in aging.

ROS is a part of life.  It’s a result of cellular function… hence why catalase and such are present to provide metabolism of this natural by-product.  The issues, in my opinion, begin when there’s an acute load present or when cells lose the general ability to manage ROS.  It’s already been demonstrated that gray hair is the result of catalase not being able to metabolize hydrogen peroxide any longer and its resulting suppression/cessation of melanin production.

Not saying that free radicals *cause* aging, but to say that they don’t play a role, is ridiculous.

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February 10, 2010, 12:21 PM

Thanks IH and Chore,I just thought I’d highlight it to the forum as the people interviewed were convinced.
I’m sticking with IH’s top 6 anyway.Now I’m taking everything rather than some I’ll report back on the general health of Hair and body.

Thanks

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March 15, 2010, 04:15 PM

IMHO, aging is a MULTI factored process, take skin for example, DERMATOHELIOSIS is one of the biggest factor here,
but also smoking and diet.

If you ask me, the source of immortality IS TA65.