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February 28, 2011, 01:33 PM

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I recently ordered the decalcify supplement but then noticed that it has 20 MGs of zinc orotate with 3 mgs elemental zinc.  The 20 mgs appears to be per serving and 3 daily servings are suggested.  I always hear that you should not take zinc in excess to 30mgs per day.  Can someone explain.  Or are the total on the decalcify supplement for the total 3 servicings?


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February 28, 2011, 03:57 PM

This is something that concerns me as well, as the decalcify supp is the one I’m most interested in.

 

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February 28, 2011, 10:38 PM

You’re right to question this.  There’s a big difference between 23 mgs and 69 mgs.  They should clear this up.

Above 40 is pushing the limit on toxicity. It’s not like B vitamins or C, or even D where going above the recommended dosage is still safe…too much zinc is dangerous for your long term health.


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February 28, 2011, 10:40 PM

But my gut says that they mean 23 mgs is the total for all 3 pills taken in a day


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March 01, 2011, 09:35 AM

I was thinking that could be the case.  However, if you read the label it clearly indicates those totals are per serving. I havent started the product for this reason.

 

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March 01, 2011, 11:12 AM

The amount of Zinc in that supplement is 1/2 of what you should get per day—I did this as some folks are already supplementing on Zinc (albeit crap forms) and eat a lot of red meat.  That amount was purposely restricted by me, though Immortal said THAT wasn’t even necessary since it was Orotate.  Zinc Orotate gets absorbed directly into the cell membrane, so unlike typical forms of zinc, you don’t need to worry about excessive zinc.  Take a look at Dr. Hans Nieper’s Zinc Orotate supplement:

http://www.a1nutrition.com/buy-nci_dr_hans_nieper-zinc_orotate/

At 60 mg a day, take twice daily it says—that’s 120 mg of Zinc Orotate a day.  That is what he found to be the optimal amount in his research (he’s the father of Orotate minerals), and even then it’s 50% of that in Decalcify.  You’re getting 9 mg of elemental zinc a day, bound to 51 mg of Orotic Acid, with absolutely none of it getting wasted. 

Typically, if you exercise regularly, you need a LOT more Zinc than your average joe.  Even then, your average joe should take at least 15 milligrams a day:

http://www.lifeclinic.com/focus/nutrition/zinc.asp

Information on Orotate minerals:

http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/learning/orotates-mineral-transporters.html

Also, as this article points out, if you want to get close to 15 mg a day, then you need to consume significantly more than that to get those desired amounts because of bioavailability issues.  Bioavailability isn’t an issue with Orotate minerals:

http://www.3fatchicks.com/do-zinc-supplements-have-any-dangerous-side-effects/

Quote: “In order to achieve 8 mg or 11 mg of zinc per day, you actually need to consume more than that because your body absorbs approximately 20%-40% of the zinc it digests. It is safe to take zinc supplements with an approximate 40 mg – 50 mg zinc content on a daily basis.”

In my opinion, Decalcify is the crown jewel in the line and the quantities and quality of ingredients used were researched meticulously by IH and myself for efficacy and safety. 

You are getting 9 mg a day of Zinc from Decalcify at the recommended dosage, giving flex room for other supplements and diet as well if you’d wish to consume more.  NOT 60 mg a day.

 

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March 01, 2011, 12:05 PM

Nidhogge.


Thanks for clearing that up.  I found it hard to believe that people doing such extensive research would commit such an oversight.  I actually was thinking the answer would be something along those lines. 

If you dont mind me asking, why would you call this supplement in particular the crown jewel.  Also, if you had to choose only 4 supplements, which four would you pick? 

And finally, What do you think of Biosil?  I hear there is a peer reviewed study that seems to indicate it can thicken hair and improve hair quality.  Do you think this has any validity?


Thanks for you time.

 

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March 01, 2011, 03:26 PM

neutron—

No problemo. smile

BioSil I’ve used for months back when ImmortalHair used to recommend it as an ancillary supplement to the top 6 and I think it has more of a beneficial effect for women than it does men.  It may impact hair quality positively, but as far as halting MPB progression, I don’t think that the benefits extend to that point.  It certainly would be a good addition though, and I wouldn’t mind adding it back into my regimen at some point.

I think Decalcify is the crown jewel because there’s nothing else really like it out there.  Ecklonia Cava—there are a few products out there, we simply give the most bang for the buck.  Antioxidant Boost is a unique combination of antioxidants for good value, but it’s stuff that’s readily available in separate bottles at iHerb.  Likewise, the Lipoic Acid is available elsewhere, as is Krill.  However, Decalcify satisfies daily requirements of things that are incredibly important to blood vessel and heart health, and I just haven’t seen anything that does that all in one product.  So there’s a little more pride in this supplement as a result, since it’s the first Ortho Nutrition supplement that we can truly call our own. 

As for which four—and this would vary based on a person’s diet, but probably Antioxidant Boost.  I eat a fair amount of organic greens and put turmeric on everything, so I do a fairly good job of getting some of the benefits that Boost offers.  For others, they may leave out Krill because they consume a good amount of fish, and yet another perhaps the Stabilized R-Lipoic Acid is they have a real clean, unprocessed diet focus on healthy produce and grass-fed meat.

Hope that helps a bit. :D

 

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March 01, 2011, 03:41 PM

Thanks for elaborating.  I’ve observed that everyone in my family that carries the hairloss gene seems to also be prone to diabetes/heart disease.  I’m up in the air because at 30, im in pretty good health so far.  Again, I’m only 30 so who know what will happen at 40, 50 and so on.  What I can say is I have diffuse thinning all over my scalp.  The thinning seems to start in the typical areas around 19-20.  However, at this point it has spread all over the scalp.  It is at the point where my scalp thinning is almost even throughout the scalp.  I’m really hoping to stop this problem and possibly regrow alittle.  Because my hair is diffuse if I could thicken, rather than regrow it would make a world of difference.  The only thing i know is minoxidil turned my scalp to cake and finasteride hasnt seemed to make a difference every time i tried.

 

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March 02, 2011, 10:53 AM

Somewhat OT, but male porn stars take zinc to “enhance” their efforts.

 

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March 02, 2011, 01:41 PM

I don’t think we should model our health plans based on what professional athletes and porn stars do, because basically they will wreck their bodies for the future to tweak the best performance for today.  That may be great for short-lived glory, but hell for long term health.

 

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March 03, 2011, 10:46 PM

Lapwing,

From what I recall, athletes are typically found to be *deficient* in Zinc because of the physical activity that they partake in, thus the need to supplement heavily on Zinc to keep up with the strenuous activity.  Even working out 1 hour a day will cause your body to burn through Zinc a lot quicker, not to mention sexual activity—each orgasm costs you about 3 mg of Zinc.

 

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March 24, 2011, 06:34 PM

Nidhogge- What about the boron in Decalcify? All the supplements ive look at recommend 3mg in the direction per day. Can you shed some light on this?

 

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March 24, 2011, 09:36 PM

I don’t mean to change the subject -I’m just thinking outloud here.  IF -and I mean IF- pulsing laser diodes are better than non-pulsing diodes… I wonder if the 9 Khz frequency actually does something to break up the calcification.

This is a big stretch here, but I know that there are independent studies where pulsed electromagnet frequencies and pulsed LLLT INCREASES bone formations in demineralized bone (and other bone elements in some weird rat studies).  Well, maybe there is some other process going on having to do with calcium here.

I know calcium by itself isn’t magnetic, but it does form metallic bonds with each other and I’ve always thought that maybe some sort of electromagnetic device could break it up. 

Ok, sorry, like I said…. just thinking outloud.


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March 25, 2011, 11:16 AM

Youngbalder—

This was per ImmortalHair’s recommendation; some of that 3mg of Boron isn’t readily absorbed by the body, so increasing to 9mg a day ensures that we get optimal levels of Boron that are beneficial for not only our health, but our hair as well.

 

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April 15, 2011, 03:41 AM

I actually take 50 milligrams of Zinc Gluconate on top of what I take in Decalcify.

On top of that, I eat a lot of red meat, I’m not the least bit concerned.

Zinc research can be a little complicated, but rest assured, as Nidhogge mentioned, there is
no problem with taking other Zinc containing products along with the Zinc Orotate found in
Decalcify.


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May 07, 2011, 05:43 PM

Hey Immortal…

I noticed that your website lists 400 mgs of magnesium as the recommended daily dosage.  However, the decalcify supplement contains 300mgs per serving and recommends three servings per day? Wouldn’t this be too much according to the daily requirement?

 

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May 08, 2011, 12:48 AM

Neutron - Magnesium Orotate works quite a bit differently than most other forms. 

For example, if you took 1,200 mg of other forms of Magnesium it might cause a loose stool.  Orotate Magnesium on the other hand is different for a few reasons.  Namely, a lot of it is actually Orotic Acid, which carries a smaller elemental amount of Magnesium; also it is able to enter the cell more efficiently, but most of all, it is a kind of magnesium that is not susceptible to causing a loose stool. 

There would be nothing wrong with taking an additional 400 milligrams of other forms, if one were to decide to do that for any reason.


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May 08, 2011, 03:23 PM

Immortal..

Thanks for the quick response.  Just out of curiosity, how many pills do you take per day?  The one concern I have with my new regimen is that im taking 15+ pill per day.  Given, Im taking these spread out over the day.  Do you think taking so many pills can have negative health effects?

 

 

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May 08, 2011, 04:14 PM

Neutron - I’m not sure off hand just how many pills I take, however, it’s quite a large number.

Usually I take 40 or so per meal approximatively.

In many integrative medical clinics, instead of a patient being handed patent drugs, which exert certain side-effects, they will be provided a sometimes lengthy list of supplements to take, in many cases, much larger than a few dozen.

This question is fairly popular, because the #1 thought that comes to many minds is possible toxicity.  However, these natural supplements are in most cases—anti-toxic.

They improve the processes of detoxification, including phase 2, downregulating inflammation, etc.

The primary difference is that the body recognizes these substances and uses them to augment its own metabolism.  A medication most often opposes normal physiology.

Last, but not least, the core regimen will likely provide a significant boost to lifespan. This is based on the results of animal research and the reduction of age-related diseases in humans.

I should also mention that in the beginning, most users will experience at least a few weeks of rapid detoxification.  So, some rather unusual things will happen in the bathroom, and this is expected unless one has lived an enormously clean diet, but even then, with all the environmental toxicity around, even with a clean diet, these supplements will provide an obvious, initial detoxification effect.


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May 08, 2011, 04:33 PM

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Thanks for the detailed responses.  One reason Im very interested in your research is that heart disease and diabetes is common on my dads side.  The interesting thing is that all the relatives that carry the heart disease/ diabetes also seem to experience hairloss.  Furthermore, the hairloss seems to be in a diffuse pattern spread all over the scalp.  I tried finasteride on and off for years and it never seemed to help.  Im curious to know your stance on weightlifting. I work out about 3-4 times per week with weights.  I can honestly say that I havent seemed to notice any increase/decrease in shedding when I lift.  I’ve experienced extensive layoffs from the gym and during these times I havent seemed to notice decreased shedding.  However, many seem to believe that weightlifting exacerbates hairloss.

 

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May 08, 2011, 04:40 PM

Cool I am not the only supplement freak.  I just counted.  I take about 40 pills per meal too, but only normally for breakfast and dinner.  I usually don’t take any supplements at lunch time.

I use my body as gage as well.  It makes my body feel better when I take my supplements.  I remembered I had a detox experience when I first starting taking NAC, which is now one of my favorite supplements.  I quit NAC my first go around but tried it later and I did not feel bad at all.  So I guess I had cleaned out my system by that time.

 

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May 08, 2011, 05:51 PM

neutron - Weight lifting is probably more beneficial than not. For example, it helps improve insulin regulation—it helps “push” glucose into cells for energy.

The majority of diabetics and cardiovascular diseases have a sluggish thyroid in part of its root.  Would highly recommend looking at the oral cavity (indications of gum, teeth health, existence of root canals, etc).

Low thyroid function can be created or exacerbated by oral pathology (bad dental work). This is because electron depletion is the primary cause of disease.  The health of teeth and gums is a window into the health of the overall body; yet unfortunately in medicine the dentist is disconnected with the systemic effects, as are the doctors with concern to teeth/oral health.

Hypothyroidism (low functioning thyroid) is more often a proper diagnosis than diabetes type II.  The same often applies to cardiovascular diseases.

Diabetes and Heart diseases usually go hand in hand. 

Here is an article I wrote on teeth health, that somewhat explains the process of regeneration versus degeneration.  This information can be somewhat extrapolated to systemic health as well.

http://healthyfixx.com/health/11/how-to-prevent-and-reverse-cavities


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Immortal…

I do have recessed gums although I take decent care of my teeth and purchased a sonic care tooth brush a few years back. Its funny you mention gums because I was pleased to see that co q 10 actually helps the gums.  I bought 50 mgs of ubiquenol co q 10 from Puritan.  I gave a bottle to my dad as well.

It is interesting what you say about weight lifting.  The funny thing is I can remember a time when I didnt shed for about two weeks and this was during a period of intense weight training. 

I did enjoy reading the info on your site, although I have not completely read everything yet. Im gonna take a look at the article you attached above.  My hair is extremely thin but itz weird because I still have hair growing everywhere.  I feel like my condition is so that I can really do a lot of good for myself by thickening.  My problem is that Ive never experienced anything more than the same doctors pushing fin/ minoxidil.  Obviously, these treatments do not seem to address my true problem.  I believe that is why I never received favorable results.

 

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May 13, 2011, 12:12 AM

May sound obvious but IH is right, weight lifting can be *extremely* beneficial. The devil can be in the details - like bracketing your work outs with proper nutrition, and making sure your hormonal cascade is working well. Equally running can do wonders for circulation to the scalp.

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