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dZine

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February 28, 2012, 01:52 PM

Hey everybody,

I have to be honest with myself and face the fact that my hairloss has continuoud. When being optimistic I might say it has slowed down, but not much..

I have been using LLLT for 11 months now. Strict time schedule. 3 times a week, 20 minutes.
First followed OMG advice of applying poly 80 pre-shower, showering and do a LLLT session right after that.
2 months ago I switched to a pre topical of niacin and emu oil followed by LLLT session, applying coconut oil and taking a shower.

Furthermore I am using Revita Shampoo + Conditioner, take Omega-3, niacin, vitamins for hair loss (http://hairvitaminsforhairloss.com/puritans-pride-vitamins-for-the-hair-60-tablets-reviews/), some ginseng.

I take a run three times a week and workout each other day.
I have enough sleep, massage my head regularly (no nails, smooth massage) and do not eat artificial sweeteners/sugars. Try to eath healthy. 3 pieces of fruit a day, lots of vegetables. quite high-proteine diet and quite a lot of eggs…
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So I am wondering, should I give up? What else is there…
Will it be worth to keep trying?

 

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February 28, 2012, 03:53 PM

Sounds to me like you need a good topical. But let’s be realistic too. Hair is difficult to regrow no matter what treatments you are using however I still believe most of the problem (90% of it) is related to DHT. The Revita does offer benefit with this however I don’t believe it is as powerful as a “leave in topical”. Of course I am partial to my own treatment….super zix II. You could also consider minixidil with Hair Muck added to it. Many are against using minoxidil on this forum and it can have side effects. I personally never had side effects when I was using this treatment even though I was putting probably 5 times more than recommended on my scalp daily. This treatment offers one huge advantage over Super Zix II. That is compliance. With anything containing minxidil you absolutely know it works to some degree. So you tend to stick with it long enough to make a difference. Unfortunately it does nothing to reduce DHT….and there is where adding the hair Muck is comes in. Hair Muck contains both saw palmetto and beta sitosterol. These two ingredients are believed to inhibit both type I 5AR and type II 5AR…..the precursors of DHT. Hair Muck also lessens the irritating effects a typical minoxidil formula can have on the scalp.

Just my humble opinion for what it’s worth.

 

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February 28, 2012, 04:01 PM

woops, forgot to mention that one..
have been using super zix II for 6 months, but it left a green residue. Due to the thinning of my hair this was to obvious and I stopped using it.

 

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February 28, 2012, 05:49 PM

Go back to it. Use it at night. Or you do have the Hair Muck so try mixing it with minox.

 

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February 28, 2012, 07:13 PM

Here’s a couple of other things you can research to add to your arsenal:

- Revivogen (for DHT) I just started using it at the beginning of February. No residue at all. Use it at night, one hour before bed.

- Immortal’s Hair Supplements (you know you can do a skype interview with him)

- Do a major detox/cleanse for ten days (sometimes there can be heavy metals, etc. that can contribute to hair loss or no growth). I do the master cleanse or the 10 day green/fruit juice cleanse from http://www.fatsickandnearlydead.com/ Watch the documentary - it was great. Plus the side effects are increased overall health, so nothing to lose!

- Microneedling/Dermarolling (I do it once a week before my PM Revivogen topical) some suggest that the wounding healing response of this process helps with health growth, but primarily I feel like it just increases product absoroption dramatically.

- Enzyme Peels or Apple Cider Vinegar Wash. It’s supposed to do a great adjunct to hair loss. Read about it. You can get a good ACV wash at http://www.justnaturalskincare.com/hair/loss_rinse_vinegar.html

- RegenePure (as a shampoo/conditioner set) Zix recommended this on his site. It has an active ingredient that can be found in Nizoral. Ketaco..something. Any ways - I use it 3X week.

- Cold Therapy for the scalp (at the end of your shower, do a minute or two of ice cold water therapy on the face and scalp. Super great for a plethora of reasons. There’s a thread on it in the forums.

Do you have the laser messiah? How old are ya? How many years have you been experiencing hair loss?

 

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February 29, 2012, 03:12 AM

Hey,

thank you for your answers.
I am 23 years old, havea Laser Messiah II. Started out with 200 diodes but have upgraded to 430 diodes.
If I look back at pictures hair loss (thinning) started when I was around 19… By now it has thinned dramatically and looks terrible.

The revita also contains ketoconazole, as you suggested with RegenePure. I already do the cold therapy but did not mention that before. I will have a look at the other things. Thank you for your suggestions.

 

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February 29, 2012, 08:12 PM

dZine,

Have you gone to a doctor to rule out any other medical conditions besides MPB, which might contribute to your hair loss?  That is too bad your hard work is not paying off.  At least you should be lot healthier exercising and eating right.  I don’t eat eggs.  I am not sure they are good for hair from my experience. 

I started my real hair loss when I started body building.  I was eating a ton of eggs.  I am not sure what caused my hair loss, but I totally changed everything since then.  No eggs, no creatine, no 5-6 meals a day, no insulin spiking.  My change definitely helped me.  Plus I started eating clean, ie, no sugar or junk carbs and lots of veggies etc.  I only eat one serving of fruit a day.  In the summer I eat little more fruit.  I think 3 servings a day is too much.  At least for me.

 

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March 01, 2012, 12:35 AM

I think seeing a naturopath, acupuncturist, or d.o. might be better than an m.d. for something like MPB. Underlying causes are really not an allopathic kind of mindset, unfortunately. I feel like a doctor is just going to suggest what he/she is able to: FDA approved treatments that may or not be safe.

Lapwing - I think you’re right in thinking that there can’t possibly be a correlation made between some of the changes you made and your hair loss. I personally think eggs are great for hair and skin. Also eating 5-6 meals spaced out regulates insulin (so isn’t that a good thing). Now in my experience as a personal trainer and massage therapist, I know bodybuilders (even the “natural” ones) put their bodies through a great deal of stress - which according to these forums can in itself be detrimental to hair loss.
- You are correct in the sense that we should change up our diet seasonally. For example, in the winter time we can eat more potatoes and denser/more fibrous vegetables, less grains, less fruit, etc., but when it warms up we should be eating more fruit, fish, vegetables according to what’s growing in the region.

dZine - keep up your search for the best solution that’s going to work for you in all respects. We’ll be here of course!

 

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March 01, 2012, 02:26 PM

tanner84,

Cholesterol has been linked to hair loss.  If you eat a lot of eggs per day, per week(I was eating about 4-6 eggs a day), you are most likely dumping a lot of extra cholesterol into your body and bloodstream.  Cholesterol, sebum, dht in the scalp spells hair loss.  Creatine has been linked to producing extra dht.  I am naturally predisposed to producing extra sebum.  My then lifestyle was a hair loss train wreck waiting to happen.  On one hand, the insulin regulation by many meals does mean you have less “punch” per meal, but on the other hand your are giving it more little punches per day so the insulin stress is always there.  It is really hard to tell, which is better.  For my body, it seems to work better if I eat three healthy squares per day. 

Here is one quick link.  I know eggs and the whole issue of dietary cholesterol is a contentious issue itself, but the pieces fit enough in my case to scare me away for life.  Anyway egg protein did not make me any stronger.  I got zero extra benefit from it. 
http://www.onlinemedicinetips.com/symptom/high-cholesterol/High-Cholesterol-And-Hair-Loss.html

I still think dZine should see a doctor to rule out liver problems, allergies, thyroid issues etc.  Not all hair loss is due to MPB.  If you are losing hair very rapidly you should see a doctor or two, plus a hair specialist to pin down exactly what is your hair loss pathology. 

In general you need to listen to your body because everybody is different.  And if something is not working for you, you might want to ditch it no matter how good it looks on paper. 

One further note on eggs pasted below:
It’s a well-known fact that eggs contain a lot of cholesterol. One egg has about 215mg of cholesterol, more than 70 percent of the recommended daily value of the substance. While limiting yourself to one egg a day is unlikely to have any long-term effect on your cholesterol levels, research cited in an article in the November-December 2008 issue of The Fountain magazine shows that a single egg can cause a short-term spike in cholesterol. The article, written by University of Chicago Department of Radiation and Cellular Oncology research fellow Bulent Aydogan, says that eating one egg can cause a temporary cholesterol spike of 3 to 4mg/dl, although the levels decrease after digestion.

So even if your dietary cholesterol ingestion levels off into some safe average daily level after eating eggs, you still get these nasty spikes.  The spikes could dump extra cholesterol in your scalp.  Presto, now you are in danger, even though your average daily reading says you should be safe.  There are many factors to consider!  A flawed logic can lead you to destruction.  It happens all the time with biological systems.  They are so varied and freaking complex. 

 

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March 01, 2012, 06:56 PM

Interesting article on meal frequency and blood glucose/insulin

http://www.leangains.com/2011/01/better-blood-glucose-with-lower-meal.html

 

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March 01, 2012, 10:20 PM

johnson,

Very interesting article!  It verifies my experience.

 

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March 02, 2012, 06:52 PM

last resort….

1. go to dr and get your thyroid checked

2. if it’s normal, it’s probably MPB causing your loss.  The last diitch effort is generic avodart combined with a premium minox formula.  (such as spectral N or L).  That’s about as a potent a regmin that can exist, although it’s drawbacks are obvious….the chance for side effects are coniserably increased over what you are doing now.

Still, plenty of guys are doing that combination and not having any major drawbacks.  I took dutas for a while and liked it.  Long term, though, I’m not sure it’s a safe bet, but for a few years I had no problems.  At your age, 5 years is a good bet that there’ll be better options than there are now….I would give it one last chance to save what you got. 


Unless you look good with a shaved head (some guys do)


Tried a lot of things, never stuck with anything. Don’t do that

 

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