Immortal hair’s supplements
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February 28, 2010, 07:43 PM Was reading through Immortal hair’s site once again with lots of interest. I would definately like to try the supplements he recommend for hairloss, but at the moment they’re just a bit too pricey. I mean how much do they cost you guys a month? A few things it made me wonder about though was how come I, who’s living a fairly healthy life, is suffering from MPB when other people my age who live a lot more unhealthy do not? Is it because my hair follicles are genetically more sensitive to the damage that insuline resistance etc can cause? And also the main question, if MPB in fact is not rooted in DHT, then how come castrated men will not loose any more hair? |
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[ # 1 ] February 28, 2010, 10:59 PM Hi Gubter. Interestingly I just did the math last night and on an ongoing monthly basis the top 6 will cost you approximately $103 a month. The cost will vary from month to month because sometimes you will be buying more than a months supply for each individual supplement but on an average basis that’s the figure. |
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[ # 2 ] February 28, 2010, 11:02 PM “And also the main question, if MPB in fact is not rooted in DHT, then how come castrated men will not loose any more hair?” Personally I think hair loss is rooted in DHT as you put it. The question is how do you go about reducing DHT without experiencing side effects. Also I don’t know if you’ve read the “30 Month Window” article….but in my opinion not all hair can ever be grown back. Only hair recently lost and even this can be a very hard thing to accomplish. A more realistic goal is to stop hair loss dead in it’s track and then perhaps get a hair transplant. |
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[ # 3 ] March 01, 2010, 01:07 AM Gubter87 - On the castration issue, only during prepubescence will this actually prevent hair loss completely. During adolescence, it’s too late. The costs can get as low as about $78 per month, assuming you use the most economical routes. There are however, some more economical approaches, and if your hair loss is not especially aggressive, they maybe enough to tide you over. I would suggest, Curcumin, Resveratrol and Krill oil. You could always add on a little more in the future. Finally, there are dietary considerations which if adhered to well enough (does not have to be perfect by any means), it will increase your chance of success given an economy mode. I believe that hair loss is not rooted in DHT, it is rooted in the thyroid. To break it down even further, it is poor oxygenation due to mitochondrial dysfunction, which generally (not always), is caused by some thyroid impairment. This subject is a bit complex to explain fully in a single thread, but suffice to say, at least 90% of all inflammatory mediators are directly a result of thyroid dysfunction. In the last 150 years or so (an approximate guesstimate), environmental and dietary factors have contributed to this phenomena. I am quite certain that most physicians would not agree with me, especially the allopathic variety, however, I have some colleagues who fully agree with my viewpoint. At any rate, their agreement isn’t that important, because I have collected over a period of years, more than ample data to support my hypothesis, which I believe today is a viable theory. So with that all said, enter the importance of iodine and selenium which are basic and quite inexpensive to consider as well. You’re welcome to pour through my natural hair growth forum to absorb all the relevant info on thyroid, there’s a ton of it there. Lastly, I should state that thyroid will raise doubt among most medical professionals due to a problem in the medical literature, concerning outdated textbooks and theories/teachings on iodine in medical practice. Moreover, current testing for thyroid is completely unreliable. Much more on this if you would like to know. When oxygenation/redox status is restored with a true euthyroid state, then dht mediated signaling of inflammatory proteins become attenuated, relegating hair loss as a non-issue. |
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[ # 4 ] March 01, 2010, 07:30 AM I’m not taking the piss here, but is the process for this simply jumping on the supplements you suggest? |
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[ # 5 ] March 01, 2010, 11:16 AM Joey Ramone - It’s not totally necessary to understand how they work, however this approach has a lot of side-benefits. Often what happens is after these are felt, there is greater interest in the over all process. Others just care if it works. More info here: http://www.immortalhair.org/mycurrentregimen.htm |
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[ # 6 ] March 01, 2010, 12:12 PM Immortalhair; Do you have any plans on writing a simplified explanation of how it all works? I have tried to plough through whats written on your side, but I find myself getting lost in different terms and names of proteins etc. |
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[ # 7 ] March 01, 2010, 12:56 PM Gubter87 - In the near future, myself and the other editors of this site will do videos covering several topics. You’re welcome to browse my natural hair growth forum, which has a lot of information. |
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[ # 9 ] March 02, 2010, 05:12 PM 1….. - Mitochondrial decay can be caused by consumption of refined sugars and starches, refined vegetable oils or a state of hypothyroidism, which lead to reduced mitochondrial oxygen consumption and loss of mitochondrial respiratory control. |
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[ # 10 ] March 03, 2010, 01:54 AM Thanks for your replies. Which iodine brand do you recommend? There’s a lugols at both iherb and swansons but I don’t know which is good or how much I would use of either of them. Is there any worth applying it topically? |
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[ # 11 ] March 03, 2010, 11:03 AM Joey Ramone - There’s a link to the 5% variety of Lugol’s on my site or look up JC Crows’s Lugols solution. On Iherb there is Iosol. It can be sprayed on the scalp with water and taken internally. |
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[ # 12 ] March 03, 2010, 10:43 PM Guys— IH and I are actually working on our own variations of the top 6 that’ll be both cost-effective, and far superior to what’s currently on the market in terms of ingredient quality and quantity (all therapeutic amounts). |
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[ # 13 ] March 04, 2010, 04:15 AM How could you be cost-effective and compete with ‘quality’ of already established supplements? Convenience I can understand but what would you guys be doing so differently to improve the quality? Are you planning to source and produce this from base ingredients yourselves? |
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[ # 14 ] March 04, 2010, 06:26 AM What exactly are the top 6? |
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[ # 15 ] March 04, 2010, 07:32 AM Immortal Hair’s regimen; the TOP 6 supplements that he lists on this page that have the potential to dramatically slow down or stop your hairloss. |
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[ # 16 ] March 05, 2010, 07:28 PM JoeyRamone— Quite simply, because I’m the man when it comes to this stuff. I’m pretty good at sourcing and have some connections in the supplement industry. One product, for example, will have 150mg of 98-99% purity Ecklonia Cava, 250mg of Curcumin 95, 100mg of Trans-Resveratrol 99%, and will run for between 20 and 30 bucks for a 50-serving supply. Also, we’ll be using the more expensive vegetarian capsules, and avoiding any filler beside microcrystalline cellulose (the same stuff that veggie capsules are typically made of). How many supplements do you see out there using 98-99% purity Ecklonia Cava? Then, to couple it with Curcumin and Resveratrol at therapeutic amounts without having to scale down the quality…plus, we have very little overhead, just this site basically, so we can afford to only mark things up 50-100% as opposed to these other companies, which are 100-600%. Essentially, what we’re doing, is giving amounts that will actually do something for you in our product line from a health perspective, and keeping the price around where the other products on the market are that offer far less per capsule than us. Vitamin K2 for instance—5000mcg instead of 150mcg, and pharmaceutical grade instead of food grade. That’s not cheap stuff… |
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[ # 18 ] March 08, 2010, 12:02 PM hopeful19— If you do the recommended 2 dosages a day, it’ll be 25. The reason for this is that the Liquid-based formulation can only support that many servings given the amount of each active that I have in it, and I found that the capsuled version is exactly the same cost to us even with greater quantities of each herb if we shoot for 50 servings on that as well. From my own experience, I miss a day every now and then and sometimes only get 1 serving in a day, so realistically it’ll probably last folks at least a month. The price would be between $20 and $30 as well, and will essentially be 3 supplements in one. For the actual vitamin paks, that’ll be a 30-day serving, for the Vitamin D3/K2, it’ll be 90 servings, and folks can take 1 to 3 servings a day. |
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[ # 20 ] March 09, 2010, 04:25 PM Could everyone who has been trying theses supplements please write how they are doing with them? And any other treatments they have used along side or before taking the supplements. I would really like these things to be effective, but I guess it just seems a bit too far fetched for me. I guess I’m just a skeptic when it come to these things, but I’d love to be proven wrong. |
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[ # 22 ] March 14, 2010, 12:17 PM Am also interested in buying these supplements from you and IH, Nid. First is that if I order these supplements online I end up paying custom import duty almost 100% of the cost of the supplements. That is simply outrageous. This maybe because the supplements are being sent by FEDEX or similar courier companies and these get charged a hefty amount automatically because it’s assumed that anything which is sent by major couriers are valuable items. Can you guys help in keeping this cost low somehow along with the shipping charges? The international shipping charges make me bleed from the eyes. The second thing is that it would be amazing if people can get an option to order only the “top 3” or any 3 of the “top 6”. I hope I am not asking for too much. |
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[ # 23 ] March 17, 2010, 06:42 PM xyion1— We should be able to do that in terms of pricing. The Krill will be packaged with Stabilized R-Lipoic Acid, Acetyl-L Carnitine, and Biotin which will push the price higher but still from an individual supplement perspective, we’ll beat all the competition out. Not only that, but the packaging will make taking supplements very, very easy to comply with. Abhi— We like to use USPS, and will make sure to take care of our international customers. Exceptions are Germany and Austria, because it is very difficult to ship to those countries due to the policies that their respective governments have in place against imported supplements. The products will be broken up as follows: - Combination Vitamin D3/K2 - Combination Ecklonia Cava/Resveratrol/Curcumin - Combination Stabilized R-Lipoic Acid/Acetyl L-Carnitine/Biotin/Neptune Krill Oil So you guys will be able to mix-and-match. Everything will be in therapeutic quantities, and pharmaceutical-grade unless not necessary! |
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[ # 24 ] March 17, 2010, 06:42 PM xyion1— We should be able to do that in terms of pricing. The Krill will be packaged with Stabilized R-Lipoic Acid, Acetyl-L Carnitine, and Biotin which will push the price higher but still from an individual supplement perspective, we’ll beat all the competition out. Not only that, but the packaging will make taking supplements very, very easy to comply with. Abhi— We like to use USPS, and will make sure to take care of our international customers. Exceptions are Germany and Austria, because it is very difficult to ship to those countries due to the policies that their respective governments have in place against imported supplements. The products will be broken up as follows: - Combination Vitamin D3/K2 - Combination Ecklonia Cava/Resveratrol/Curcumin - Combination Stabilized R-Lipoic Acid/Acetyl L-Carnitine/Biotin/Neptune Krill Oil So you guys will be able to mix-and-match. Everything will be in therapeutic quantities, and pharmaceutical-grade unless not necessary! |
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[ # 25 ] March 17, 2010, 08:41 PM nid, that sounds good…do you have a timeline to roll it out, or (firmish) price ranges? Just asking cause I’m due for a reorder soon, and it makes sense to order in 3-4 month quantities to save on shipping. |
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[ # 26 ] March 17, 2010, 09:57 PM that sounds awesome…definitely interested…however, in the meantime, does anyone know if the NSI line from Vitacost is legit? The synergy line of products have so much in them and don’t seem all that expensive…about $40 a month for almost everything under the sun. |
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[ # 27 ] March 18, 2010, 05:27 AM Nid; Have you got a timeline on this yet, and a ballpark figure of the monthly cost? If these supplements were made easily available, and cost-effective then I would probably give them a shot. Worst case scenario I’m out a few hundred and probably gained some health benefits. However, don’t you think stuffing so many supplements in one capsule could cause them to interact with each other - maybe loosing their efficiacy? Also, I’m trying to understand the diet that is behind Immortal hair’s theory. Because basically, if I’ve got it right, what he’s saying is that if you eat a perfect diet you wont need these supplements. The supplements are rather to compensate for a not so perfect diet. Does that mean that the supplements could be contra-productive if you do eat a healthy enough diet? And the diet he is advocating is it basically, as far as possible, avoiding anything that can raise insulin and to eat saturated fat, mainly from animals and meat? Meaning avoid things like: sugar, oats, fruit, potatoes, pasta etc. And to some degree lentils, beans etc. I’m eating approximately a 50% vegetarian diet at the moment, using mainly olive oil and butter for cooking and eating lots of beans, vegetables and berries. This doesn’t really seem like it would comply with the diet IH is advocating. |
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[ # 28 ] March 18, 2010, 10:40 AM Gubter87 - Personally, I do not adhere perfectly to my diet, I like to live a little, so I’ll indulge here and there, so the supplements are vital for success. However, if someone has the fortitude to eat perfectly according to their ancestral diet, then it is possible to go by diet alone under certain conditions. Unfortunately, most of these conditions are extremely difficult to meet such as carrying a virtual zero load of toxic metals, which for most people is not likely. So that said, supplements are probably necessary—at least until some burdens have been removed first. Your diet doesn’t not have to be high meat or fat, it actually depends on your ancestral type, to put it another way, your specific metabolic type. Here is an excerpt from my site that explains in general why this is: There is no such thing as a “one size fits all diet.” According to the author of The Metabolic Typing Diet, William Wolcott, individual metabolism We are often told that alkalizing the body is the way of health. It’s not quite that simple. Have According to your metabolic type, the balance of your pH depends on which side of the Conversely, if you are Sympathetic dominant, your acidity will balance out with a vegetarian How does one determine their metabolic type? The first indication is by way of your The following website can help you determine this: www.bloodph.com Or, one can seek other sources to help with their blood chemistry. To make it more simple check your glucose levels periodically on the following morning after you ingest various carbohydrate, if this number exceeds 85, then it is indicative that carbohydrate should be reduced. It is not surprising that Parasympathetic types usually come fashioned with a strong digestive While the majority of us have a dominant branch of either the Sympathetic or Parasympathetic, Also, in addition to determining your correct metabolic or ancestral diet, everyone has different food sensitivities. For example, some are sensitive to lectins, typically found in grains and legumes (beans), many others are also allergic to wheat/gluten products, while still others react negatively to monosodium glutamate (MSG). The latter however is generally bad for all of us, since it is found in processed and packaged foods. On the question regarding mixing some of the ingredients in a single capsule, in each case, they will be synergistic so fortunately this is not a concern. |
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[ # 29 ] March 18, 2010, 02:08 PM IH I just had a thought about the thyroid discussion. Remember a few days ago I was talking about how my father’s hair has gotten better since taking saw palmetto. Well about 5 or 6 years ago he had a hypothyroid issue. long story short, he doesnt have a thyroid anymore but he takes a pill to replace the function of it. I wonder if the combination of the two have helped are why this has happened. If he takes his medication like he should everything should be in balance. |
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[ # 30 ] March 18, 2010, 02:21 PM brh - Thyroid replacement medication, especially the synthetics are not the best thing. A more suitable replacement is armour thyroid which works better 90% of the time compared to thyroxine for example. However, hair usually makes a recovery after thyroid replacement, but the typical sort are not recommended. Did he have Grave’s disease prior to removal? |
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[ # 31 ] March 18, 2010, 02:57 PM Im not sure what he had. Thyroid issues run in the family. My uncles take armour thyroid but I heard they may be discontinuing it or revamping the ingredients. Something to that degree. Im not sure if he uses armour thyroid or not. He actually had hyperthyroid and eventually the doctors gave him a radiation pill to kill it. Im sure there are better routes to take but at the time nether him nor I knew any better. |
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[ # 34 ] March 18, 2010, 03:33 PM brh - Sounds like it might have been Grave’s Disease, which is a hyperthyroid condition. Super saturation of iodine will attenuate the over activity and normalize thyroid function. It is unfortunate that untold thousands will be subject thyroid removal, since that’s all they are trained to do with this condition. Gubter87 - It’s an interesting question (about ayurvedic doshas and AIS branch) and I’ve wondered about that myself, however I have no idea. |
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[ # 35 ] March 18, 2010, 04:49 PM IH: Where would you suggest one should begin? I’ve tried to read through your forum and website but it all just seems a bit too overwhelming. I am currently on propecia and minoxidil, and even though I would like to eventually be able to ween off it, I would be reluctant to do so without having something else that I know for a fact is working for me. So would being on finasteride and minoxidil be contra-productive whilst taking your suggested supplements, or could they go hand in hand? Also, looking around the internet I have searched for stories from people being on the top 6, but there does not seem to be very many of them. What would you estimate the success rate had been for people? |
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[ # 36 ] March 18, 2010, 05:32 PM Gubter87 - On testing, it isn’t too simple. The reason is that everyone is different, and medical history determines what types of testing are applicable. There are however, new and innovative types of tests, but then the problem is where to access them. If someone goes to a standard doctor or even endocrinologist, they’re not likely to find anything of great value. So to keep this as simple as possible, I suggest just starting out with this regimen and to try and limit your consumption sugars and refined starches. Also, if you consume wheat or grains, see if you can observe a difference in your scalp inflammation on these foods. Unfortunately, some using the regimen take minoxidil and/or finasteride. I say unfortunately, because this stuff is poison. Eventually, though many drop these. Please note that when going off of minoxidil it causes a certain shed, and naturally many people do panic. If you scour the forum long enough, many of these seemingly foreign ideas will become more familiar and it will not seem so overwhelming. Some of the most interesting success stories are the one’s that were the most difficult to achieve, because everyone is different, some successes will be quickly, while others will take a while—sometimes due to medications or medical conditions. |
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[ # 37 ] March 18, 2010, 06:09 PM IH; Thank for your reply. I recently started using one of OMG’s laser helmets. My aim right now is to wait and see what gains that gives e. And, then hopefully in a while you guys will have your own line of these supplements for sale, easily attainable and cost-effective - then I’ll probably give it a shot. I don’t really think minoxidil as a 5% solution used topically is too bad for the body, but who knows. If I, get good results from all of this then maybe I’ll be able to drop minox as well. The whole idea of overlapping the treatments would be to not induce any type of shed again. Because, correct me if I’m wrong, if I had been taking your supplements for a couple of months then I should not have a shed when coming off finasteride? |
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[ # 38 ] March 18, 2010, 06:21 PM Gubter87 - Minoxidil will cause a certain shed, finasteride may or may not, I’ve heard mixed results over the years. |
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[ # 39 ] March 20, 2010, 03:22 PM
The Vitamin K2/D3 will be in between $10-20, the liquid version and capsule version of the Ecklonia Cava/Curcumin/Resveratrol will be in between $20-30, and it’s looking like we may have to delay the vitamin pak idea for now as it’s a lot more complex than I originally thought it would be. I may just sell Stabilized R-Lipoic Acid and Acetyl L-Carnitine on their own. We’re looking to be about 2 months out I’d reckon, but it could be less! |
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[ # 40 ] March 20, 2010, 03:24 PM
I’m not familiar with the line, but typically when something has “everything under the sun” for cheap, it usually means that it: 1) Doesn’t have the therapeutic quantities of each nutrient 2) Bad quality (ie. - Magnesium Oxide is a very cheap and poorly absorbed form of Magnesium, whereas Magnesium Aspartate and better yate, Orotate, are more expensive and very well absorbed) It’s important to research each ingredient on its own, and know what you’re putting in your body. On a side-note, we will have a huge educational campaign on what actives we’re using in our formulas, why we’re using the quantities we’re using, why we’re using these particular actives, what they do for your health, what they may do for your hair, etc. |
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[ # 41 ] March 20, 2010, 03:30 PM
I’ll address the diet aspect first— IH’s supplements will work BETTER with a healthy diet, but are less necessary than if you have a poor diet. With a poor diet, the supplements will offer protection of sorts, but with a healthy diet and the supplements, you can expect quite a few more health benefits. Keep in mind that herbs like Resveratrol, Curcumin, and Ecklonia Cava are fantastic on their own. Ecklonia Cava, for instance…just a teaspoon is equal to somewhere between 10 and 15 servings of vegetables! Also, because it is 40% fat soluble, it has a half-life of 12 to 14 hours in your bloodstream, which is far longer than any typical antioxidant (antioxidant being typically 30 minutes because they’re usually 100% water soluble). It’s also fairly difficult to get Vitamin D3 without 30 minutes of sun per day from just regular food, and the quantity of Vitamin K2 that we’re providing is *very* difficult to get from just food. Regarding mixing and matching—we’re only doing this for the Resveratrol/Curcumin/Ecklonia cava. Resveratrol and Curcumin have been found to synergistically augment one another, and the Ecklonia Cava, being just another herb, will do its own thing. It’ll be the same thing as taking two pills at once, nothing will destabilize if they are combined “under one roof”. Monthly cost will be cheaper than the competition, and higher-quality. I replied to someone just now with some figures as well. I don’t have everything completely ironed out in this arena as of yet though.. |
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[ # 44 ] April 22, 2010, 12:35 PM It can be left on for 30 seconds more longer. There’s no need to leave it on more than two minutes, because it will absorb quite well. |
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[ # 46 ] April 22, 2010, 07:57 PM Immortal Hair - I haven’t, at least recently. At one time, I used caffeine with it, but it did not enhance the effect, and would acquire headaches from it—so I dropped it. |
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[ # 48 ] April 27, 2010, 05:40 PM Whats the word on the combo supplement you guys have in the works? I’m almost out of a lot of things, and I was wondering if I should hold off on buying them in favor of trying out what you guys got going on, save a few bucks in the process. |
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[ # 49 ] April 27, 2010, 06:07 PM Unfortunately, there appears to be a delay due to completely unforeseen circumstances. Nidhogge may have more details as we had just discovered this.
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[ # 50 ] April 27, 2010, 10:04 PM Hey Funky, I’m meeting with a potential investor this Friday. I would go ahead and order about 2 months ahead, since if this pans out it’ll still take time to ship the actives, get payments in order, bank account set up, processing, etc. |
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[ # 51 ] April 30, 2010, 11:51 AM Ahh, hopefully you guys can get it worked out without too much hassle, looking forward to trying this stuff out. Ill see if I can catch some sales in the meantime. |
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