“Blood Irradiation” for hair loss…
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January 11, 2010, 02:58 PM Hey, guys… Jdp710 and I have come to the same conclusions (once again… we both independently have come to the same conclusions with our practical experiences a million times before!). Blood Irradiation is probably the best ANCILLARY thing that we can be doing for our hair loss and health in general. You do this by shoving diodes up your nose! lol… Ok, yeah, take that in for a second. The benefits of this treatment have proven to be astounding for health -but, of course, there is no data regarding hair loss, just like with practically every other “non-mainstream” treatment (it’s not “scientifically important”). We are going to add the plethora of blood irradiation information to the wiki very soon, and I’ll put a link here when that’s done, and I think you’ll be able to draw conclusions on how this can be helpful for our plight. If I had to sum it up in one concise statement, I’d say blood irradiation provides us benefit specially for hair by reducing the overall inflammation and stimulating cell mitochondria so they can behave more like they did when you were younger (before oxidative stress, etc.). So, will that stop baldness on it’s own? No… but I think it provides something that you just can’t get with any other treatment that I’ve seen. Ok, here is the nose device I created: 
You use it for as long as you can -an hour would probably be great. Why can you use it longer? Because you don’t care about the tissue in the back of your nose! You THE PROBLEM… One word: compliance. I haven’t done it in months because it’s so damn uncomfortable and it causes a “snot reaction”. Yeah, that’s gross -and the reason you need lens caps. Plus, it’s really takes a hand to hold it in place. As you know, I’m using two hands all day either designing this webpage or making laser helmets, so it gets difficult. I’m sure there are solutions to this, though, and I’m going to keep banging away at the design. I know there are devices on the market for this, but I’m thinking I may try to make a cordless one this year -and maybe one that has cordless wrist diodes so you can get an added bit of stimulation there. So, anyway… those are my thoughts. To maximize health and your fight against hair loss… you should be doing this very cheap thing. Again… I actually HAVEN’T been using it because it’s so much of a pain in the ass, but I’m going to try to start back! You can really feel it in your body once you start using it! Ok, the scientific data will follow very soon! -O.M.G.
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[ # 1 ] January 11, 2010, 10:18 PM AixiZ actually has a few prototypes designed specifically for this. I ordered a couple, and should be getting them in soon…I’ll be sure to post up some pictures whenever they arrive! I do hope that this contributes to curbing hair loss, however, I’m most looking forward to the overall health benefits that may result from irradiating our blood with 650nm lasers. It may sound a bit crazy to anyone that’s new to LLLT (Low Level Laser Therapy) reading this thread, but science has proven time and again that this practice is not only safe, but great for our health! |
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[ # 2 ] January 12, 2010, 08:32 PM Why doesn’t blood irradiation occur just from using a laser helmet? True the scalp isn’t as vascular as the nasal passages but we are using 300-400 diodes and covering a larger surface area. |
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[ # 3 ] January 12, 2010, 11:41 PM
Zix, this is mere speculation, but I believe that irradiating through the nasal allows easy access through the blood-brain barrier. Irradiating the scalp is definitely beneficial, but limiting since we can only irradiate a certain amount of time and times per week to avoid overstimulation. |
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[ # 4 ] January 13, 2010, 06:42 PM Hi Nid. Well you may be right and I may be talking out my ass but to me that doesn’t really make any sense. If we are irradiating blood it seems to me it would make no difference how or where we get the light to hit a blood vessel. Myself I have been using my helmet on my feet. I prop up my feet and place the helmet on top and then sit there for an hour and watch TV. I’ve always suffered from cold feet. But after two weeks I no longer have the problem. So something seems to be happening. |
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[ # 5 ] January 13, 2010, 08:07 PM
Hey, Joe… You absolutely get a good amount of blood irradiation from laser helmets -without a doubt. The problem we have with it is that because we have to “respect” the tissue, we can’t do it for longer than 20 minutes a session. When you use a method such as shoving diodes up your nose, you no longer have concerns for the tissue so you can use it for extended periods -which is what you really need to do (like an hour). As far as 300 diodes on the head vs. two diodes up the nose, actually the two diodes up the nose give a greater full body stimulation effect. So, I’m taking that to mean that much more blood irradiation is occuring -even though, yes, a decent amount is occuring through the capilaries on the scalp with a laser helmet. I haven’t done it since the summer -man, time flies! I’m about to use it again right now, for half an hour or an hour, and I’ll get back here and confirm that yeah… it gives a lot more overall body “flushing” and stimulation that the helmet -I’m assuming because you are able to get that irradiation right to some big veins/arteries. Hope that makes sense! I’m pretty sure that using the helmets would result in all of the benefits that I’m (eventually) going to put in the wiki page and on this thread, although to a lesser extent than shoving a diode up your nose. -O.M.G. |
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[ # 6 ] January 13, 2010, 08:28 PM OMG I just got the same “flushing” sensation from using the helmet on my feet for about an hour. I stopped right then and there because I was unsure what it was about. No ill effects however and next time I will keep the helmet on my feet for a longer period. To me it seems the irradiation is causing a histamine release. If you do this regularly you will “use up” the precursors for the histamine. I believe the histamine release is the very thing responsible for the inflammatory response. If you use up the precursors for a histamine release you will end up with less inflammation in the long run. Nest time I will experiment and see if that “warm feeling” goes away after leaving my helmet on my feet for two hours. This would tell me that further therapy at that time won’t do anymore good. Just kicking things around here but the point is I don’t think we need to shove anything up our noses or build any new devices. We can just set our helmets on some other part of our body and watch a good movie to irradiate our blood. |
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[ # 7 ] January 13, 2010, 08:48 PM Hey Joe, I’m real glad to hear the it’s all but eliminated your cold feet issue. I’ve been having trouble with circulation to my feet this winter, and will DEFINITELY give this a try! I’ll use it in tandem with my laptop on my lap…bad radiation for my genitalia (laptop), good radiation for my feet (laser helmet), lol…not really funny actually. :( |
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[ # 8 ] January 13, 2010, 08:59 PM Next time I do blood irradiation however I will use my knee cap. I don’t want ruin the benefits of laser light to my feet by excessively using the helmet at that location. Also I think you need to leave the helmet on your feet for about an hour. Quite simply the diodes are much further away from the skin than they are when using it on the scalp therefore it will take longer to get the same benefit. Just my humble opinion. |
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[ # 9 ] January 13, 2010, 09:03 PM By the way OMG it’s really great to have this forum up and running. Finally I have a home to go to where I am around friends again. You’ve done a great job. Many thanks. |
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[ # 10 ] January 13, 2010, 09:15 PM  Yeah, I know, the AROUND FRIENDS part is so important. Having to deal with that bullshit from another forum earlier today reminded me of how ridiculous the other forums can be! ...and the people “in charge” of those other sites don’t actually DO ANYTHING with advancing hair loss research. One of the driving reasons that this forum was created any -besides to become the world’s first multimedia channel for hair loss- was simply just so the good guys could get away from the bad guys. We haven’t had a home in a long time! WELCOME BACK HOME! ...and this time it’s better because we’ve got BIG THINGS instore that simply haven’t ever been done before. EVER! |
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[ # 11 ] January 13, 2010, 11:09 PM Amen to that OMG!! Joe, I was thinking about that…the fact that the diodes aren’t focused, meaning you’d have to wear it a lot longer around the feet to get the same benefit as if they were focused. Maybe OMG should create some “foam laser messiah slippers”. Regarding the knee thing…one of the fellas that I built a laser helmet for stated that just one usage of his helmet on his knee (he’s had knee problems for a while now) drastically reduced the inflammation and pain the following day! |
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[ # 12 ] January 13, 2010, 11:17 PM  I’ve heard someone else say that about the knee… a woman in New York City who uses the helmet is an avid jogger, and she’s used it on her knee before and it took care of A LOT of pain. ...but lasers don’t penetrate the “photo-optical skin barrier” or whatever, all of use must be making this up! LMAO! And that picture I posted in this post must be because there was a “seasonal change” in those five minutes! Riiiiight… -O.M.G. PS- I’m really digging the formatting options we have here… floating pictures, highlighting text, etc. etc. etc. Just need to get that youtube code… |
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[ # 13 ] January 15, 2010, 12:31 PM Here are some good studies at this link http://www.radiant2life.com/research
Dynamics of hyperlipidemia and peripheral blood flow in patients with diabetes mellitus after the course of combined laser therapy in ambulatory-polyclinic conditions. 218 patients with DM were treated with laser blood irradiation. 93 patients had DM I type and 125 DM II type. A HeNe laser of 2 mW was used intravenously. In addition an infrared 890 nm laser (5-20 mW) was used for irradiation over the projections of the liver, spleen and pancreas. Treatment was given daily for a period of 8 days. Repeated sessions were given at 3 and 6 months. Sugarcorrecting medications were decreased 200%. From the first day the patients´extremities grew warmer, pain decreased and symptoms of encephalopathy decreased. Levels of total blood cholesterol, LDL cholesterol and triglycerides decreased to normal values with a simultaneous increase of alhpa-LP. Sugar concentration in blood also decreased. Dynamics of lipid metabolism and peripheral blood flow rates in patients with atherosclerosis in conjunction with renal dysfunction after the course of combined laser therapy. During an 8 year period patients with atherosclerosis and renal dysfunction have been treated with intravenous laser blood irradiation (ILBI). The study has demonstrated a decreased level of total cholesterol , LDL cholesterol and triglycerides with an simultaneous increase of HDL cholesterol levels. No pharmaceuticals were given during the treatment period. The authors state that ILBI results in a stable hypolipidemic situation which prevents atherogenesis in patients with metabolic disorders, particularly in patients with renal pathologies.
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[ # 14 ] January 15, 2010, 01:30 PM Hi JDP. Any studies that show promise for the 656nm wavelength we are using for our helmets? |
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[ # 15 ] January 15, 2010, 02:30 PM Hey Zix Creator, There are couple for intravenous He-Ne laser (i.e. 632 nm) or combining both IR and around 632 nm together but regarding only using transdermal around 655 nm I couldn’t find one. With that said, a 655 nm transdermal laser would still work but treatment time would be higher to get the same benefits. Here’s a quote from the link above “An applicator is inserted into the nose where a small dose of low intensity laser light of 655 nm wavelength is applied to the blood vessels. The nose is one of few available areas in the human body where blood capillaries are in abundance close to the surface of the skin.” Also, a quote that I had on my computer “The latest laser medicine researches showed that when 650nm laser beam irradiates the body vertically via body surface to radial artery, approximately 1/10 of laser power can penetrate skin , muscle and vessel wall and absorbed by blood. The spectrum for blood fluorescence activated by laser is mainly between 600-670nm, and the spectrum of 630-650nm laser is located within peak values. So, it is not difficult to understand from the molecule fluorescence mechanism that the spectrum of the laser source activate blood from basic state into enabled state,and the spectrum within the range of 630 to 650nm gives the most effective or curative results.”
and then I used the Aixiz mini lasers. Also, using a laser helmet on your head “does” give you laser blood irradiation but it takes months to notice IME. Maybe because of the lower treatment time coupled with not as much laser light making it into the blood I’m guessing is why it takes longer.
“In all the athletes in the study, the muscolar enpowerment appeared to last for 16 weeks after the
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[ # 16 ] January 16, 2010, 04:00 AM JDP— Bit off-topic here, but I recall you saying that if you could redo your helmet, you’d use mini-lasers. A while back, I spoke to Dr. Maricle about that, and he said that the regular lasers are better for our purposes, something to do with overheating and amperage. Don’t remember exactly what was said…just that we’re on the right track. |
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