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March 05, 2010, 01:11 PM

Hey All,
Finally found this site.  I was posting a little on hlh but now I think I will stick here.  I am attaching my one year laser pics.  I have a 160 diode device that I flip around for full coverage.  Twenty minutes 3x a week.  I also use mag oil and a small amount of propecia, which i have used for 12 years.
Let me know what you think.

I don’t know how this will look but the darkest one is Dec08, the next is 8months in and the last is 12months.

Jimmy

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March 05, 2010, 02:33 PM

Nice pics man, it looks like the patch that’s thinning noticeably got smaller, almost like it’s thickening gradually making its way to the inside.  Props dude!  Regenerating our hair isn’t an easy task that happens over night, and good for you for sticking with it and getting some results.

Welcome aboard as well!  The site is still in pre-launch, we have a LOT on our plates that we’re working on for the site…so hang in there. smile

 

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March 05, 2010, 02:55 PM

Thanks Nid, the pics don’t really do the trick.  My barber says there is a definite improvement though.

 

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March 05, 2010, 02:58 PM

Isnt picture 1 and 3 the same picture ?  NOTE BY OMG- I removed the duplicate!

 

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March 05, 2010, 03:09 PM

Yes they are, could not figure out how to get it off of there. NOTE BY OMG -Click “edit” next time, and you’ll see the option to remove them at the bottom! The second pic is 8months in and the last pic is one year.
For some reason the baseline pic is much darker.  I think I may have used a different flash in the original pic so it looks as though my hair is darker.

 

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March 05, 2010, 08:39 PM

Hey, Jimmy1! Sorry for invading you guys’ posts like that! lol…  Man, your avatar!  Whoa!

Thanks for having the courage to post those pictures!  THERE IS A REASON why you can’t see the results on the pictures that you can see in real life.  I made an attempt at showing that here (watch it in 1080p):

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I did this video really quickly just to prove a point -maybe too quick because there is a spelling error somewhere in it- but the good thing is that I think it really helps people to understand.  In fact, it’s made a lot of people that are overly critical of pictures “shut up” in the past.

The fact is… any standard digital camera that has a small lens and can fit into your pocket -NO MATTER WHAT THE MEGAPIXELS ARE- just doesn’t have the ability to handle the contrast.  “Wash out” occurs -it literally makes hairs disappear and bleed right into your skin. 

You don’t even need to take a picture to see the difference.  Just hold the viewfinder up to the mirror like I did in the video and you can see that what is on the screen is absolutely harsher than what your eye sees -and it doesn’t take a genius to see that this would absolutely diminish the physical evidence of all but the most profound success stories!

Most amateurs like us use standard digital cameras under bright lights, and most professional clinics, etc. use extremely expensive SLR cameras or HD Video Cameras IN AMBIENT ROOM LIGHTING to show results.  That’s a world of difference, and I think that my stupid little video does at least a half ass job of proving the difference between the two!

One day, I’ll have an SLR camera, too -it’s on the list- and I’ll remake that video and show comparisons of all three in both direct light and ambient room lighting.

-O.M.G.


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March 09, 2010, 11:34 AM

It looks like you have maintained well. That is a win in my opinion, after a whole year. One step closer to “the cure” wink

 

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March 09, 2010, 04:18 PM

Jimmy1; I seem to remember that I read that you are also on propecia?

Were you on propecia before using your laser helmet, and in that case do you reckon that the results were improved since starting the laser treatment?

I reckon it seems like you are maintaining, maybe slight thinning. But then again pictures can be treaturous, so if you reckon your hair is better - then fact is it probably is!

 

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March 16, 2010, 03:01 PM

I have been on Propecia for about 12 years.  1 mg daily, but now I take 1mg ever other day.  I don’t really get sides but I want to keep the drugs to a minimum.
I don’t think I can attribute recent success to Propecia(Proscar).

 

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March 30, 2010, 04:41 PM

hello!
im new to the LLLT world… and as far i can see the results from laser clinics seems to be unbelievable. the laser helmet pretend to be powerful as the clinic’s laser but the results are different. maybe i miss something?

watch this link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOc-29S4NO0&feature=related

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March 30, 2010, 06:01 PM

Hey, Nanas!

No, in general the results aren’t different -and actually I look forward to testing my helmets officially pretty soon.  I actually believe the helmets are BETTER for several reasons that I spell out on my overmachogrande.com site (so I won’t bore everyone again with them here!).

Here is the problem of why you don’t already know this…  First is the video that I posted on this thread.  None of us had good cameras or a professional clinic to take our pictures.  The type of camera and the lighting makes an incredible difference in the definition of the results that you see.  We all used cameras that you can fit into your pocket, and no matter what the megapixels are, those cameras lack a big enough lens/aperature for detail and can’t process the contrast -everything looks washed out.

Second, laser clinics post only the best results, and they take pictures of EVERYONE that comes through the doors and gets treatment.  Some of these places have literally hundreds and hundreds of before/after sets of pictures to go through -all in the best lighting with good cameras to show the difference.

Third, the guy in the video made the news for a reason.  He’s different than the norm -that’s freaking some of the best results in the entire history of hair loss ever recorded -PERIOD.  ...And if someone tried to argue with me on that, then they don’t know what they are talking about!  THAT is why this is a news story.  I don’t need to say any more on that, and maybe I should have started out this post with that.

Fourth, there is a lack of ONE SPOT to see laser helmet before/after pictures -so you don’t know.  We kept track of them for a while (http://www.hairlossfight.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1290) and the results are FLAT OUT THE BEST RESULTS IN THE FORUM WORLD WITH ANY TREATMENT SINCE PROPECIA.  That’s a fact!  We stopped keeping track of it because we got tired of it.

One day, we will set up a system here to keep better track of this -but we’re just getting started, and I’m keeping the laser helmet “word of mouth” right now for several very good reasons, but it WILL NOT be that way forever.  So, you’ll have the volume of pictures you are looking for -and media publicity.

Don’t forget this important part, though… the helmets are at least as effective as the laser clinics (I think better, but I can’t prove that yet), so you shouldn’t really consider them IN COMPETITION WITH EACH OTHER.  Trust me, they’re made up the same components and principles (of which the helmet implements better, which is why -coupled with the positive testimonials- that I think they work better), and I’m on the phone every week with the guy that designed some of the most popular ones!  So, you should look at those laser clinic before/after pictures as more overall evidence of what using a laser device can do that gives good coverage and achieves the proper levels of energy to a large portion of the mpb areas -and that should make you “Woohoo” excited.

-O.M.G.

PS -  I remember seeing this on the news when it came out.  If I remember correctly, this was even a few years before the whole forum laser helmet movement (I could be thinking of another one, but I think it was this one), and even though I WATCHED IT AT THE TIME, there was still so much damn confusion about laser therapy, it went in one ear and out the other -just like with every other forum member that saw this.  What the hell was wrong with us?!

I’m getting Dr. Maricle to write an article for us that will basically be “Why the hell are you forum people -including OMG- so stupid that it took you until 2007 to really start ‘getting it’ about laser therapy -when the evidence is HARD TO MISS for the rest of the people that don’t post in forums?!”  Yep, we were really silly to take so long to understand this -and I don’t think it should have been ME that set up the first consumer advocate site on the subject… I think this should have happened with the generation of posters before us.  We’d ALL have a lot more hair if we did.


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March 30, 2010, 10:40 PM

nanas - March 30, 2010, 04:41 PM

hello!
im new to the LLLT world… and as far i can see the results from laser clinics seems to be unbelievable. the laser helmet pretend to be powerful as the clinic’s laser but the results are different. maybe i miss something?

watch this link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOc-29S4NO0&feature=related

thanks.

Nanas—

We don’t have the resources to supervise each of the folks that we build helmets for.  We build them, and folks use them out of the convenience of their home.  With clinics, you’re going TO the place multiple times per week, so it is very easy as the owner of a clinic to take high-quality pictures and monitor progress that way.  At best, we get folks that share 3/6/9 month pictures with us, but it’s infrequent.  However, we consistently get e-mails from people that are VERY satisfied with their laser helmets.

Our helmets have:

1)  The same exact lasers used in lclinical devices

2)  More lasers

3)  Far better coverage

4)  A FAR cheaper value, and warranty to boot

Not only that, but OMG teaches you how to build your own on his website, http://www.OverMachoGrande.com.

One day, we will have our own clinical study to clearly demonstrate the efficacy of our helmets.  Until then, we can only continue to plow ever forward.

 

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March 31, 2010, 05:04 AM

Thank you so much!

You guys are HOLY!

Lately i’ve heard about a techniqe called EDHIN (Epidermal Disruption-Induced Hair follicle Neogenesis ) means that you can grow new follicels and stimulate ‘dead follicle’ from a scratch.
the ‘scracth’ is made by acid peel applied on scalp for few days, makes the skin peel
and reveal new skin and regenrate ‘old’ follicles (maybe create some brand new follicles)

However it should be quite intense therapy so you have to avoid sunlight (and people) for few days…

My question is how does LLLT will work with EDHIN? on one hand it seems to be perfect comibnation, in the other hand the laser may be harmful for new a delicate skin..

 

 

 

 

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March 31, 2010, 07:20 AM

Hey, nanas!

I think scalp peels are extremely helpful based on the science behind them, and we have a guest that’s going to make a “Featured Contributor” post and a “Product Review” post on these.  I actually left a message about two days ago, and I need to follow up with that.

Laser therapy with the common 5mW diodes used for LLLT is NOT irritating to the skin -it’s actually soothing (for most people… about 2% seem to think it feels like a sunburn, but chances are that’s not you) and induces healing.  So, chances are, if you use LLLT after a skin peel, you are going to have less sensitivity, less inflammation, and less pain. 

What’s funny is that I got my scalp really sunburned a couple of years ago, and I used laser therapy and it took away all of the pain from it!  You can use LLLT on BURNS, too, and it works better than ice.  All of this sounds really crazy since as little as 100mW diodes (and lower) can burn CDs, but it has the opposite effect of what you think when it has low power!

...But I guess the answer is “I don’t know for sure” what the two will do together because even though I think skin peels are something that ALL OF US should do… I’ve sadly never done one, and I don’t think that most people have.  So, I can’t report FIRST HAND EXPERIENCS YET -I can only take what I know about the two and assume I’m right.  We’ll know for sure before too long because I’m going to try them once I know more about them (after the articles are up).

This is one of those things that because of the existing structure of the hair loss internet forums, the info gets bumped off the main page and people “forget” about it.  I’m hoping the structure of this site might alleviate that some -when we actually get around to getting people to post in those sections! lol…

-O.M.G.


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March 31, 2010, 10:23 AM

The times I’ve applied peels I did notice a lot more “gunk” coming off into my comb. A couple days after I had less inflammation but then it returned. I would do them on a consistent basis but the stuff was quite expensive.

 

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March 31, 2010, 10:24 AM

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March 31, 2010, 10:54 AM

nanas—

I’m a big proponent of skin peels.  Have you been doing this for yourself, and if so, how has it been working out for you?

Can’t say that I’m quite sure how it’d work in tandem with lasers.  Lasers would accelerate wound healing, so it may or may not be in your best interest to use a helmet while engaging in epidermial disruption.

 

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March 31, 2010, 04:06 PM

actually i dont have any experience with skin peels, but i think i’ll do one soon using the TCA 20% peel.
They say its the most effective and uniform way of wounding the scalp, although there are many others peels.

some peeling pics that i found , it looks pretty crazy…

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March 31, 2010, 04:13 PM

That certainly is pretty amazing, though I have used TCA20 before and want to give you ample warning—your skin will be flaking for days and won’t heal up until 2 weeks or so.  That was only with one layer.  I’ve heard around hair loss forums that it’s best to apply FIVE layers in a session.  So, you’d apply one layer, wait about 5 minutes and let it frost over, then the next, etc.

 

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