Laser Comb (for travelling)
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March 09, 2010, 06:47 AM Hi guys, I am normally using the Messiah 3 times/week 15 minutes. But unfortunately my new job requires a lot of travelling and I won’t be able to always bring my helmet and keep up my routine… That’s why I wanted to add a handheld device (Comb) to my portfolio to do a laser session in the hotel room between the helmet sessions on weekends. I know that these devices are far less powerful than the helmet and some of them must even be considered as scam…But I am hoping that there is a useful device out there? So here is the question: Probably not the “HairMax”, but maybe a “XXXXX” [word removed by moderator -reason: unethical company/person]? Any other recommendations? |
. Thanks again OMG for building this masterpiece.
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[ # 1 ] March 09, 2010, 05:01 PM Hey, mgd! I’m sorry but I had to block out one of the products that you mentioned. The guy that makes those products has a history of unethical behavior in the forums and has said absolutely outrageous and slanderous things about the editors of this site. So, we have a zero tolerance of his company and we aren’t going to be doing him any favors. Any other product is fine, though. Sorry about that! |
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[ # 2 ] March 09, 2010, 06:12 PM No problem at all. I don’t care about brands anyways, I’d just like to have as much power as possible in a handheld device. I am aware that no comb could compete with OMGs Messiah, but which device would you guys purchase when you’d need to travel a lot? Thanks, |
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[ # 3 ] March 09, 2010, 06:33 PM when you say high powered i assume you mean coverage wise and are not referring to the power of the individual diodes. clinics use 5mw and those are the diodes that have been shown to produce results. those really high powered devices (over 5mw) are not what have been tested and can actually prove to be detrimental to the goals that we are all desiring |
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[ # 4 ] March 09, 2010, 07:43 PM Hey, mgd! Hmmm…. that’s always a trick -TRAVELLING. For most of the past decade, I was travelling usually four days a week for work, but it just so happens that the two+ years I’ve been using my laser helmet that I’m no longer in that profession and I’ve gotten to live like a normal person! So, thankfully I haven’t had to deal with that issue myself yet. I maintain that you just can’t travel with a laser helmet because frankly the security guys have all the power in the world, and if they think your helmet looks suspicious and decide to take it… you’re screwed, and there isn’t much you can do about it! I would imagine that you’d probably get it back, but what a hassle! To compound the issue, we know that pretty much every handheld has repeatedly failed to show any sort of decent percentage of results in the forums-and man, there were dozens of people using the Aculas a few years ago in the various forums. I know some people even painstakingly used them for a year for an hour or two every session (whatever the time calculations were, I can’t remember). So, high powered or normal powered, there just isn’t a lot of bustling excitement and hoopla over anything hand held -no dispute. So, the handheld’s don’t work… but would they help if you are only using them to supplement the time you are away from your helmet?? I don’t know the answer to that. I could speculate, but my instincts say NO, they wouldn’t because you still aren’t getting into the biostimulatory range -which is where the real benefits occur. However, I still keep thinking that even the hairmax showed results, so maybe I’m not right. The most amazing thing about lasers is that it seems like you almost can’t STOP THEM from giving results -different wavelengths, different times, and you still usually get SOMETHING… even if it’s only measurable in the lab with a microscope. Would it HURT to get a handheld? No way! But… I still think the best thing to do would be to make a moveable cluster device similar to the ones that JDP710 and I used for the first few months of LLLT. We each had 68 in a rectangular pattern, and we moved it three times -front left, front right, and back center. The drawback would be that yes… you have to do it 20 minutes per section (one hour total, which can be VERY HARD when you are travelling. I know I hardly had an hour alone to do anything!). I still may make a device like this. I have a design, but frankly I won’t have time for this for the foreseeable future. It’d be small, covered (no wires looking like bombs), and pretty durable. Maybe I’ll think about this pretty soon -in fact, I have to get experienced with making my own plastic/rubber prototypes in my lab, so maybe I’ll use this as my first or second project. Back on point, though… I know it wouldn’t hurt to get one. If you have the money to burn on them -all of those devices are SO OVERPRICED- then you might as well pick one up. Or, maybe you can whip up a 50 or 68 diode cluster on your own that you move three times -you know that *will* work! That’s all I really know and the best I can answer. Maybe other people will have some other answers, though! Well, let me summarize it this way though: If I, John Christian a.k.a. OverMachoGrande, had to start travelling, WITHOUT A DOUBT I’d be making a 68 (or so) diode moveable cluster -based on the same principles as the Laser Messiah and all those other successful DIY devices, and with the wires contained. WITHOUT. A. DOUBT. -O.M.G. |
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[ # 6 ] March 10, 2010, 12:41 PM Thanks for the answer O.M.G.. A moveable cluster would really be a perfect option. If you should ever build one, please put me on the list But building one myself - impossible. This would cost me so many nerves that the stress-related hairloss would make me go completely bald before finsihing the project (I am no handyman at all In the meantime I am still considering some sort of commercially available comb/brush: What are your thoughts on this one: I doubt that all these different wavelenghts are really necessary, but 17 diodes is at least a lot (!) more than the other commercially available ones (I’ve seen some with only 3 diodes…). And the price is acceptable, compared to the HairMax one (also having only 10 diodes): I am still convinced that a little bit of lasering (at least at the spots where the hair is thinning the most) should be better than not lasering at all!? I really don’t want to lose my status because of travelling…. Thanks again & all the best to you guys, |
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[ # 7 ] March 10, 2010, 08:52 PM Wow, that’s actually a pretty cool looking LED device! I like how they summarize the benefits with the different wavelengths. I’m paying attention to the amber and blue wavelengths now because as you probably know I’ve been pioneering a face device in my spare time. I’m not sure if what they say is accurate about the blue wavelength being good for wrinkles, though. I know blue (as well as good old red) is used for acne, but I don’t know if I’m buying the wrinkle part. Anyway, lol… back on track! That is an LED device -not lasers- but you know, that got me thinking about how lasers always win out with results, but we STILL haven’t had any sort of reports from a LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE saying that. Yeah, studies have shown lasers to be better, the commercial market has gone with laser devices over LED devices, and we’ve heard anecdotal reports from a handful of people saying LED devices weren’t that great. But maybe -just maybe- they aren’t right. Maybe LED lights still have something to offer. Maybe mixing the two -maybe with some different wavelengths- wouldn’t be a bad plan for a travel device. Plus… it has the microcurrent stuff, and I’m going to write a post tomorrow (I’m too tired tonight) on that. I’m trying to keep a really open mind here about all of this! lol… I have NO IDEA what sort of results that thing would give -and I’d have to say my gut instinct would say that it wouldn’t work very well just because of what the market is doing, and based on the LACK OF usage for other non-hair loss treatments with these color ranges/LEDs. I *think* JDP said the amber range did nothing for his hair, but did well on his skin. No clue at all about the blue, and I don’t know of ONE PERSON that has ever seriously experimented with it. Without checking, I think pretty much all blue laser diodes would be cost prohibitive (I don’t even know if they are commonly made in small brass casings), so that only leaves LEDs. I get a bit scared down at that range of the spectrum, though. If you remember this:
...ultraviolet rays CAN CAUSE CANCER! Xrays can be deadly over time, and gamma rays -besides turning you big and green- can be fatal pretty quickly. So, that’s the wrong direction that we want to go in. Basically… blue is getting close to the “high energy” wavelengths that cause damage to tissue. Yeah, that might be ok for treating acne in limited dosages… but 3-6 joules of it everday on a large area, hmmm…. I truly don’t know. Maybe it’s absolutely safe. Red is close to infrared which is “low energy”, and stimulates -not damages- the tissue. Of course, the strength of the beam is an important factor, but red, infrared, microwave, and radio waves don’t hurt tissue just due to the nature of the wavelength itself (yes, you can cook a ham and cheese with microwaves, but that’s super high energy and I’m sure you get my point). Anyway, I don’t know what to think about blue. Makes me want to try it! lol… -O.M.G.
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