Laser Messiah Usage - short vs medium-long length hair
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March 10, 2010, 12:22 PM Hi, Your opinions are valuable! Thanks!
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[ # 1 ] March 10, 2010, 02:04 PM Hey marcelo, It really doesn’t matter, I have long hair and the device works just as well. I still get the soreness that other people experience. I asked this same question to OMG once and he said it shouldn’t be a problem. He said his wife has really thick long and she still gets sore using the helmet. |
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[ # 2 ] March 10, 2010, 04:27 PM Hey, Marcelo! 1… is right, it doesn’t make much difference -and I started with short hair two years ago and now have medium length hair. JDP710 even found something once that showed that hair may actually act like a fibre-optic cable for the energy and bring it right into the follicle! I’m not making that up! lol… My wife -you’ve all seen her in a a cheerleader skirt writing my name in lasers- has the longest/thickest hair imaginable in the history of the human race. She, also, felt plenty of stimulation and even got sore (this coincides with my “soreness is related to diet” theory since we eat the same things, by the way). I’ve scanned your emails you sent me, by the way! I’m going to try to get to them tonight, but it may be tomorrow morning! I actually am going to post a thread tonight on what Joanne sent me, and I’d love for you to do some of your brainstorming there. -O.M.G. |
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[ # 3 ] March 10, 2010, 05:19 PM Geez, everybody’s talking about the soreness - but I just don’t feel it. |
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[ # 4 ] March 10, 2010, 06:10 PM Do you grind your teeth, and do you have a job where you are doing things like studying/reading a computer monitor/trying to analyze things/thinking so hard that it hurts? As crazy as it sounds, I think these *could* be a small factor in it as well. I’ve found that when I do those things (and I definitely grind my teeth), my episodes of soreness are stronger and more frequent. For example… When I designed this webpage a few months ago, I got MEGA SORE. The last few weeks, though, even though I’ve been working hard, I haven’t been “crunching my head”, doing rigorous mental work like trying to design a completely integrated php site from the ground up! I haven’t been getting sore, either. This is not the sole reason for soreness (like I said, I mentioned diet earlier, and there are a few others) but it’s a pretty simple “mechanical” correlation… When you are using your scalp muscles like you do when you are struggling to solve a problem, you’re going to be more prone to have the laser helmet push you into the the realm of D.O.M.S. soreness. Same with tooth grinding… those same muscles are used a bit when you clench. I know that JDP and my wife get sore -and yep, they are staring at computer screens doing intense thought processes! Based on my coming and going soreness that is dependent on what I’m currently doing, I feel it’s probably a contributing factor. Of course, I could be completely wrong, too! We have to allow for that! -O.M.G. |
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[ # 5 ] March 10, 2010, 06:22 PM Thank you all for your responses! those clarify my doubts and provide real world empirical valuable results!
You got it man, I surely will contribute all my knowledge and theories/ideas to this site because it’s worth it! and knowledge must be free! |
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[ # 6 ] March 10, 2010, 06:28 PM Haha, actually I have recently started to grind my teeth - annoying as hell! I am also studyin hard at the moment, so I guess we’ll see if I start getting sore, I didn’t today. |
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[ # 7 ] March 13, 2010, 06:11 PM Hey, I received my Laser Messiah unscathed! It DID survive mexican custom’s LOL So I did my very first lasering session yesterday, the helmet is kinda heavy! LOL I was wanting the 20 minutes to go by quickly! LOL - I hope this will “break in” somehow with time and become more comfortable.. Thanks for a great product OMG! |
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[ # 8 ] March 13, 2010, 06:29 PM Yes, lol… others will attest that it gets much lighter! You *probably* started noticing that it was getting lighter feeling at the end of that 20 minutes if you are like other people, but yeah… it’ll conform and you wont even notice the weight anymore, believe it or not! There are a couple of other Messiah’s down in Old Mexico. I suppose I’ll have to set up a spanish site before too long if I want to start targeting south of the border! Glad you were able to swap those diodes easier! FYI… still haven’t gotten to your emails and I’m sitting in Starbucks right now so I can tackle at least some of my email! -O.M.G. |
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[ # 9 ] March 13, 2010, 06:36 PM
Yeah it was pretty easy to do, took about 10 minutes. |
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[ # 10 ] March 13, 2010, 06:38 PM On a side note, didt you ever think of a way to make it hang from a metal bar or something hovering over your head? this way I could completely fill the helmet, maybe order 100 more diodes.. having 500 diodes… I have an old professional adjustable microphone stand lying around the house , I think it would be fairly easy to adjust it so I could “hang” the helmet from there… I was thiking too on adding blue wavelength diodes on another circuit, to be able to turn them off and on, as I’ve read some research from dermatologist saying blue wavelength has tremendous antiinflamatory effects! maybe the blue circuitry coulb be turned on when the scalp is really irritated and itchy? that would be maybe in the offdays from the red 640 nm photons… For example, look at this piece of shit machine on ebay: My idea is to build a blue LASER (not LED) array of blue wavelength to use on “off days”. What do you think? it could be as easy as ordering the blue laser diodes from AiXiz (considerably WAY MORE expensive) and attaching them in another cluster to the existing helmet’s “Arteries”? LOL EDIT- Those blue lasers would have to be wired to another power source to be able to independently turn them on or off. |
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[ # 11 ] March 13, 2010, 06:44 PM Yeah, don’t worry about that! I promise… as soon as the helmet starts conforming more, the bristles won’t hurt. I remember when mine did, too, but that goes away pretty quickly, and I promise… it won’t be a problem for long. I remember one of the snake laser salesman used to go around and say that “Oh, well I think the bristles are causing massive inflammation for people” or something like that, and it was just laughable because it becomes such a non issue rather quickly that it proved his outright ignorance -and that it was just a tactic to get more sales. What a DICK! The entire reason I made everything adjustable like that -with the headband and all- was that you can position it perfectly so that it does take off the weight. You can get it so that the bristles are barely touching. HOWEVER, soon enough… that’s not going to be much of an issue. Any helmet that I’ve used for a month, I can just throw it on my head and it’s ZERO problem. I don’t have to even use the headband if I didn’t want to (although I use it for security so it won’t go flying off when I’m moving around). By the way, storing it on something like one of those glass heads helps a lot -I think it’s actually a MUST. I’m taking care of that problem soon, by the way -I’m going to have something that it’s supposed to rest on that is shaped like a head. I’ll eventually get to that. Do me a favor, update us on this thread when it starts getting better. That’ll help to keep people that don’t know what they are talking about in their place. Now that you have a laser messiah and are becoming passionate about LLLT, prepare yourself for the most astounding bogus crap you’ve ever heard from people with unethical motives. It’s… AMAZING. -O.M.G. |
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[ # 12 ] March 13, 2010, 06:48 PM Hey, Marcelo… I’ve gotta run because I have to finish up my hair transplant post on the other thread and then answer a ton of email, but I must say that I have NO CLUE about the blue wavelength. I’ll tell you what I’ll do… I’ll ask both Dr. Maricle and Dr. Norman Gay. Dr. Gay is the US’s preeminent laser researcher. He’s studying it for life saving means like curing cancer -not silly little things like HAIR LOSS for god’s sakes!- but I’ll see if I can get just a broad statement from him about if/how the blue wavelength could be beneficial, safe, and worth pursuing! Give me about three months! lol… Ok, no, but give me a few days to get that email sent, and then it might take a week to get a response. -O.M.G. |
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[ # 13 ] March 13, 2010, 06:52 PM Is Norman Gay a cousing of Tyson Gay the U.S. runner? LOL Ok, I will update the thread on the bristle’s feeling when time has passed and let’s hope you get an answer from the laser experts M.D.‘s! There could be two Laser Messiah’s, one red and one blue or a Laser Messiah III containing both on the same helmet coming pretty soon! LOL thanks! |
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[ # 14 ] March 13, 2010, 08:54 PM Mercelo, There is a treatment called PUVA (LLLT or LED) that is used and works very well for alopecia areata. A google search will pull up more studies but here’s one
http://www.springerlink.com/content/xk8646tw52h3825h/
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[ # 15 ] March 14, 2010, 12:41 AM PUVA is usually done with a lamp and not with lasers or led diodes due to the wavelength of energy used. A psoralen sensitizes the skin ( and body for that fact) to the lights rays. Light in that wavelength of energy actually acts as a topical immunosuppressant and may be the primary method of causing the hair regrowth as Alopecia Areata is a disease that is closely tied with abnormal immune responce to the bodies own follicles. Its basically classified as an autoimmune disease. Since most MPB is not generally considered an autoimmune mediated disease, I am not sure how much benefit this type of therapy would be- especially considering the hard strain the psoralen puts on the liver. I have extensive practice and research backround in autoimmune diseases- especially ones to do with the skin and hair- and I beleive that while some immune responce (normal, chronic or aggravated possibly) can contribute towards MPB, there are bigger fish to fry than this in MPB. T |
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[ # 16 ] March 15, 2010, 06:29 PM
Great response mate, though I wasn’t thinking on actually using PUVA therapy with a psoralen on my scalp. I was thiking more of trying other wavelengths of coherent photon phenomena. I will post whatever I can find. |
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[ # 17 ] March 20, 2010, 03:22 PM From what I’ve spoken to Dr. Maricle about blue lasers, he said it’s best to stick with the reds. Blue certainly has its usages though…for example, I recall reading a study that found that Blue lasers aimed at the brain of an autistic child helped to actually reverse the effects of autism.
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