Laser use after Hair Transplant OMG
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[ # 1 ] March 13, 2010, 09:11 AM Long post iminent lol. |
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[ # 2 ] March 13, 2010, 01:30 PM I’m going in soon as well and would like to know too. I asked this before in a couple other threads. I also wanted to know what to expect after. Like how long after the transplant before the redness went down and you were able to go to work and did your laser speed this up compared to your last transplant? |
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[ # 3 ] March 13, 2010, 06:40 PM You are correct, Joey Ramone! And actually… the video on this topic is literally second on my list, and I’m going to cover all I know about it! So, there will be an inundation on this topic very soon! Oh, and please be patient for the graphics to load here! First of all, I’m sorry if you guys have sent me email and I haven’t gotten back to it -I’m working on that today and through this weekend. Ok, How soon are your transplants, swlbr and DM5? The reason I ask is because I’m wondering how much time we have to maybe get some devices together -and it doesn’t look good this month for excess diodes because Chinese New Year made everything TIGHT in the diode world. Anyway, let me know! Now, I had flipping AMAZING results with my transplant -I don’t know how to say it any other way than my hair looks phenomenal, and I feel that there is a very BIG reason for this. I’m pretty sure that all -not most, but all- of my transplanted hairs were out by midway through month FIVE, and by the end of month six it was simply a waiting game for them to catch up to the length of my other hair. This picture was taken at about month five and a half: .gif){kind=spacer}
Now, IMPORTANT: It was NOT like that with my first transplant back in 2002. I specifically remember that the first time I really was confident about the way my hair looked was past the 12 month point. TWELVE MONTH POINT! ...That graphic was less than HALF THE TIME -so what I’m saying to you is that the proliferation time was CUT IN HALF.  The post surgery laser device can NOT have bristles, and this one was designed to contour as well as a laser helmet. Let me explain WHY this occured, though, and this is very important: I think that my continued use of the laser helmet could be responsible for that a little bit, but I think the real key was using the laser stand device I created immediately after surgery and throughout the following two weeks. I think the fact that I was able to heal the wounds much faster was responsible for my transplanted hair growing in faster (and a large percentage of them never going dormant -especially in the front- resulting in the pohl-pinkus phenomenon). Knowing what I know now about wound healing with lasers, if I had it to do over again, I literally would have at least tripled (perhaps quadrupled) my lllt usage during the first week, doubled it the second week, and returned to the standard protocol with the helmet on the third. [The way I did it was that I doubled the LLLT usage and split up intervals during the first week, then returned to a normal schedule the following week -although with the same stand device].  The chin rest allows the laser device to float above the head with zero movement, which maximizes even coverage. So, what I’m saying is that I think there is a significant recovery time advantage with hair transplants if you use LLLT geared towards WOUND HEALING vs. fighting hair loss during the first crucial week or two. I base this on my fast results compared to both my slower past results without LLLT, and I base this on the fact that I’ve kept in touch with other hair transplant recipients that used LLLT, but not geared towards wound healing like I did.
Now, let me backtrack a bit here, and post this graphic again. 
By day FIVE, my wounds were essentially healed. You can tell that they are merely dry scabs, which I could have removed at this point. So yes, I could have removed those scabs and you wouldn’t have seen much of anything there at all, but I wanted to see what happened if I didn’t. As you see, by day EIGHT/NINE, those scabs were already minimized and not noticeable. Let me reiterate though that the real healing was going on under the surface -as PROVEN by my radically quick recovery time and witnessed by Dr. Cooley at the one month update. I had kept a significant percentage of the transplanted hairs, and he said “That doesn’t happen.” So there you go. I’m sure the laser helmet helped the hair to thrive and grow much quicker, but I think the real reason I had such good success was the immediate wound healing I did. I won’t go into the device much at this point, but it goes without saying that using a stand device with zero contact with your head, but one that contours the scalp and gives even energy is a must during that first week (probably two), and unfortunately the only decent ones are laser clinic ones so you have to either pay a lot of money or build your own. LaserMax’s coverage absolutely BLOWS, and any handheld device would be an utter joke -how the hell would you know how much energy you are really getting? -and this would be a time that it REALLY matters. I did have mine ready to be a “loaner”, but I poached the diodes from it so it’s no longer ready for action. Anyway, this is profound, and the word needs to get out about this, and I’m certainly going to do my part. I think having people know that within a week, they wouldn’t be any obvious signs of the surgery (and you *should* take a full week off), and within five or six months, they could have hair that is completely passable for “normal” (if they kept it shorter and weren’t already growing it out long like I was) would completely be a “game changer”, and more people would get a transplant -which I’ve said for my entire forum career is the single biggest thing that someone can do for their confidence and ego. Video coming soon, so stay tuned… -O.M.G. |
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[ # 4 ] March 13, 2010, 07:58 PM Going in mid April and I have about 50 or more spare diodes sitting around to mess with. Plus I might be able to get more from another source if need be. |
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[ # 5 ] March 13, 2010, 08:01 PM Thanks for the post OMG. Could you post instructions on how to build your crazy head rest thing? I’ve been considering a HT for a while but considering the cost and the amount of benefit LLLT could have, I’d love to take the time to have this set up first. |
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[ # 6 ] March 13, 2010, 08:09 PM I am going in this week. I have a laser max that I modified to 130 diodes. I know you don’t think it is the best thing, but that is what I have to work with. So rather that 20 3 times a week, should i use it every day for 10 min. |
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[ # 7 ] March 13, 2010, 08:10 PM Joey Ramone… Let me think about that design a bit. The problem I had before was that there weren’t really any existing pieces that I could use, so it was a lot “clunkier” than it needed to be. Plus, I actually built that thing at the very last second, so I’m sure I could have thought of easier ways to do certain things. I’m actually starting to dabble in creating molds and pouring my own plastic/rubber/foam pieces, so maybe I could make some that fit right on certain types of music stands. I’d like to have this solution easily available for peeps that want to do it. DM5 Keep reminding me about that, and start at about the end of this next week. Maybe we can get this thing operational before then -if I haven’t already created a better design! If so, I’ll tell you what times I did and what times I SHOULD have done. -O.M.G. |
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[ # 9 ] March 13, 2010, 08:22 PM swlbr… I didn’t mean to totally trash the lasermax, it’s still waaaaaaay better than nothing! It’s not 300 diodes contouring the scalp -and I guess that’s my pride of creating that crazy stand device coming out and a bit of boasting- but you’ll be doing a lot of good! I’m glad you have it! Actually, though, what you really should do is use it IMMEDIATELY after surgery -if you are going to be in a hotel, then bring it, and if not… use it the second you get home. First of all, I guess I should really stress that you should throw everything you know about laser therapy out the window for this -wound healing is RADICALLY DIFFERENT. You aren’t trying to grow hair… screw that, you’re trying to heal thousands of wounds! So, your body will actually USE that extra energy. I need to think about the schedule, but what I would suggest is that you use it for 20 minutes immediately after the surgery, and then 20 minutes AGAIN before you go to bed. Then, I’d say for days two and three, use it 20 minutes THREE TIMES A DAY. Yeah, I know… you think I’m crazy, but I’m telling you… as soon as I find those wound healing studies, you’ll start seeing REALLY HIGH JOULES used. Then at day four, you can switch to once a day for the rest of the week -but you still probably could handle two times a day very easy (actually, you could probably handle WAY more, but we are still playing it safe). The second week, I *think* I still used it every day, but I might have switched to every other day at that point. Knowing what I know now, I probably would have used it every day. At the start of week three, I went back to three times a week with my helmet. Once again, I know that sounds crazy with the three times a day stuff, but you can literally handle way more than that with wound healing. Like I did, I think you’ll “feel” that this is true -that you are actually using the energy, and the more you get, the better you are recovering. -O.M.G. |
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[ # 10 ] March 13, 2010, 08:34 PM swlbr… Yep, I got a little shock loss -there isn’t much you can do about that. Your scalp is going through a very traumatic experience. I’m guessing I would have gotten less if I used the laser device a little more during the first few days -well, that’s a total guess, but that’s what I think. Maybe the shock loss is due to the swelling? I’m not sure why it really happens, so I don’t know . As far as sleeping, do you see my face in that picture with me using the laser device? lol… As soon as I did that, it felt SO GOOD on the wounds that I had no problems sleeping. Man, I can’t tell you how much difference there was between my first transplant and this one. The first one hurt like a bitch -and yeah, this one hurt a little, but it was much better. I think that ALL had to do with swelling -or LACK OF SWELLING due to the lasers. Don’t forget about Mr. Horsey here:
The reason you have PAIN is because of the damn inflammation and swelling! LLLT helps that maybe more than anything else -I don’t know that for a fact, but it’s not hard to imagine that to be true based on everything else. Now, imagine what your HEAD would look like after surgery in an image like that, and imagine how it would feel after LLLT compared to without it! I suppose that’s would be the exact sort of evidence I need to really prove my case -maybe I can befriend someone with a device that takes pictures like that (what is that… infrared? CAT? JDP710??), although something tells me this would be a little cost prohibitive! lol… I’m telling you… this is a “game changer” for transplants. By the way, if you ever burn yourself, try lasers on it. You know how sometimes when you burn yourself really bad, you can use ice, etc., and the pain keeps coming back? I’ll wait for someone else to burn themselves and try that so you’ll know I’m not making up the results! lol… -O.M.G. |
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[ # 11 ] March 17, 2010, 08:47 PM Nice hairline OMG, looks like I will be in good hands with Cooley! That post HT healing getup is pretty cool too. Looks kinda meideival. And the healing did happen super fast from those pictures as well. Though, I’m wondering if bioinhibition might work against the non-transplanted hair when you used the helmet 3x a day for wound healing post HT. Wonder if shock loss might actually of been from a bioinhibition or extra stimulation- shed? Did you shed a lot like right after or days later? |
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[ # 12 ] March 17, 2010, 10:22 PM DM5- I barely would have gotten what would have been overbiostimulation -most of the days I used it didn’t add up to over the normal time. See, I didn’t do the times that I laid out up above, I only did about HALF of that. Based on what I know now from the research -and the “feeling” of it- I absolutely feel I would have been better off doing the longer times (and I’m kicking myself that I didn’t). You really do have the sensation that you are “using the energy”, though. It’s a completely different than what a normal hair loss laser session feels like. I wish I could explain how I knew that without sounding so crazy! I think it took probably a month or so for that shed to start. It didn’t last long, but I did notice it. -O.M.G. |
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[ # 13 ] March 17, 2010, 10:38 PM OMG, Funny that you mention scalp feeling with laser sessions. You guys must have calculated it right because I get this like mini tornado of energy like feeling at around the 20 minute mark everytime, I use my helmet. Not to mention I feel great, like real healthy(can feel the SOD stimulation) after a session. In sum, I think I know what your talking about and as I am pretty in tune with my scalp as well will probably get this new feeling. In regards to the extra times, in laymans terms: In order to bring things back into equilibrium and for a faster heal after trauma, your scalp needs more juice. Makes sense. I am going to go with your recommendations above and will take pictures of daily progress, so we can get a marker. |
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[ # 14 ] March 19, 2010, 05:23 PM I forgot to ask what were you thinking as far as a device that I should use post HT? Do you have a schematic for that contraption? |
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[ # 15 ] March 20, 2010, 04:50 PM |
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