“So what’s the deal with all these clays?” -Clays for Hair Loss

March 25th, 2010, 8:22 am

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By John Christian

Clays for Hair Loss

THE HAIR LOSS INTERNET WORLD has endured spectacular claims about clays for hair loss.  However, once you separate the fact from the fiction, there are still very solid reasons that most people suffering from MPB would probably have some benefit from using this simple treatment.

This two part video will cut through the nonsense, explain the benefits that you will get, and instruct you how to easily make your own clay treatment in a matter of minutes.

Major points and additional information will covered and updated when necessary in the “Notes” section of this article.

Clays for Hair Loss - Part 1: Fact, Fiction, and Analysis of Benefits


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Clays for Hair Loss - Part 2: Making It Yourself


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Notes


  • Remember, there are many types of clays out there, and all of them are fairly similar.  Most every site touts that their own brand of clay is superior for “x” reason –and they all can’t be right!  For what we use clay for –removing excess sebum and oil- most will behave in a similar way.

  • Bentonite clay is the most common, hence the reason it is discussed so frequently.

  • There is nothing wrong with buying premade commercial clay products.  If they are meant for your scalp, they will probably have a good amount of oils in them to protect your hair from drying out -and I can’t stress enough how important this is.

  • UPDATE: Organic apple cider vinegar (refered to as “AVC”, and a common brand is “Braggs”) is a frequent additive to clay treatments.  There seems to be a good synergy between the two, and AVC has beneficial properties for the scalp and hair.

  • When making your own, glass containers are preferable.  Never use a metal container, and only use the “correct” type of plastic containers that are geared towards food and cosmetics.

  • Each brand of clay will have it’s own ratio of water/clay powder.  Also, things that you add to it could possibly change the consistency, too.  No matter what, though, the clay will “firm up” quite a bit, so it’s best to leave it more liquid.

  • You can “spot treat” or you can cover your full head, and you shouldn’t leave it on for more than twenty minutes or a half hour.

  • You should pay at the most $10 a pound, and one pound should last a couple of months if you “spot treat” and use it only several times a week.

  • Typical usage for LLLT users would be before your shower on “laser days”, and other users should probably only use this two or three days a week -every other day at the most.

  • UPDATE:You will probably find that 20-30 minutes is ample time for this treatment, and any more than that could cause your scalp to get overly dry.

  • Important: OVERUSE can cause your scalp to become too dry –which can affect LLLT and cause it not to be as effective!  If you feel this happening, reduce the number of times per week and/or the duration of the clay treatment.

  • Even though you are mixing oil and water, DO NOT use polysorbate 80 -I’ve found that this makes the clay “curd”, and it ruins the consistency!


-John Christian (OverMachoGrande)

 

This article was written by John Christian, a.k.a. “OverMachoGrande”.  John Christian is a pioneer of Do-it-yourself Laser Therapy, the creator of the “Laser Messiah” laser helmet, and a long time consumer advocate for hair loss.


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Gubter87

Member

March 26th, 2010, 05:01 PM

Awesome video there John! I had been wondering what the deal was with the clays that everyone was talking about, but never took myself time to look into it. After seeing these videos I’ll definately get hold of some and start using it before lasering. How long are you supposed to leave it on for though?

OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

Editor

March 26th, 2010, 05:37 PM

Hey, Gubter87!

Yes, I forgot to mention the time at the end!  I think that 20-30 minutes is all you need, and frankly 15-20 might be better if you plan on doing it frequently. I’ll always get involved in something and it seems like I end up inadvertently leave it on for 45 minutes or so -and yeah, that can be a little too drying!

I’ll put the time up in the notes the next time I edit this entry.

-O.M.G.


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Gubter87

Member

March 26th, 2010, 06:17 PM

Okay, thanks a lot!
Was searching for a supplier near me, and came across someone who said that some brands of cat litter is actually 100 % bentonite clay!? Any reason why one shouldn’t use this? 2 kg for approximately $6!

DM5

DM5

Member

March 26th, 2010, 06:32 PM

To guard against the drying effect, I used Jojoba Oil.  I think it has the absolute best consistency of all the stuff I have used.  It is the most clay friendly substance(nonclumping or separating, etc).


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OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

Editor

March 26th, 2010, 06:33 PM

Gubter87…

I ran across that same info about the cat litter when I was researching this!  lol…  I have no idea!  If it’s 100%, then it’s 100% so I wouldn’t see why not.  Man, the potential JOKES for that are amazing!

If I ever see that anywhere -and I have cats (and you can hear a couple of them at 5:43 in Part 1) so I’ll keep my eye out when I’m getting supplies- then I’ll check it out and maybe test it.

-O.M.G.


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Gubter87

Member

March 26th, 2010, 06:41 PM

Also read it’s used to store nuclear waste… Seems like a versatile products, to say the least smile haha

FunkyStumpfighter

FunkyStumpfighter

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March 26th, 2010, 10:59 PM

While I use the clays mixed with ACV to clean my scalp, I also use them as a medium for keeping other topicals on my scalp. Mixing a bunch of clay with coconut oil keeps all the oil from dripping off your head, and lately I have been using it mixed with concentrated comfrey tea for my seb derm with some success. All of my overnight topicals are mixed with clay and water, or whichever oil Im using that night, and it works really well at just keeping everything in constant non-drip contact with your scalp.

OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

Editor

March 27th, 2010, 12:01 AM

Hey, Funky!

Great point about the AVC -I completely forgot about that part.  That’s been a successful combo for people for years, and I tried AVC on it’s own for at least a year and it definitely gave me a cosmetic benefit.  Unfortunately, I really “ruined myself” because of the smell from overuse, and I think I developed an extreme smell sensitivity to it now so it’s difficult for me to bear -which is why I forgot about it I guess.

But yeah, everyone that didn’t do what I did would find it to be very beneficial.  I think I’ll add that in the notes up above next time I edit them.

-O.M.G.


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Gubter87

Member

March 27th, 2010, 03:25 AM

Funkystumpfighter; Doesn’t the clay crack off in your bed, if you sleep with it?
How much Apple cider vinegar, I am guessing that is what you meant, do you put in the mix?

FunkyStumpfighter

FunkyStumpfighter

Member

March 27th, 2010, 01:04 PM

I use a disposable shower cap when I leave it on overnight, usually covered with a wool cap to keep everything warm. Nothing gets a chance to dry, so theres no crumbs on my pillow in the morning.

I dont really measure anything I hydrate my clays with, I just use the same kind of trial and error youd use when making pancakes. Ill just keep adding clay powder or liquid here and there until I get a consistency Im happy with.

Also, if I know Im going to be using a certain clay mix on my head, Ill add a little more grapefruit seed extract to make sure its extra fungi free.

halfempty

halfempty

Member

March 27th, 2010, 01:43 PM

Dude, you did an AMAZING job! You can tell how much hard work you put into this. I am going to try out the idea of using a container that closes to mix up the clay.

Thanks for doing this!

On another note, my hair is starting to turn red in color. Do you guys think that this could be due to the clay?

OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

Editor

March 27th, 2010, 01:55 PM

Halfempty…

Thanks!  We’re going to start doing this pretty much weekly once we get into gear -and we’re actually going to have a “Hot Topics” show that we’re going to do periodically wich will sort of be like a talk show for the forums.  You guys are absolutely FREE to volunteer to be a guest to talk about something, or give us topics you want discussed, etc.  The “Hot Topics” show is for the COMMUNITY, so we want you guys involved.

With your clay/red hair issue… do you have any other additives in it?  The reason I ask is because AVC used to do that to my hair after I used it for a while.  I probably overused it though, but then again… clay could possibly enhance the effects a bit by drawing more of the ACV (or whatever other ingredients) into the hair shaft.  I have to mention that I used to be an avid swimmer, too, so the chlorine could have been exacerbating it.  I know for a fact that my hair would get red and kinky when I’d swim with minox… there was some sort of chemical reaction going on or something. 

Also, do you spot treat or cover your whole head?

By the way, before I started my laser helmet, practically EVERYTHING used to turn my hair red.  Thank goodness that seems to be eliminated -but then again, because of the laser helmet, I’ve been able to stay away from things like that.  The last time it happened was when I played around with a bayberry mixture a couple of years ago -which is why I’m waiting on Joe the Zix Guy to experiement!

Speaking of AVC, though, FunkyStumpfighter…  what is the ratio that you use with your mixture?  Do you use any water at all, or do you use all AVC?  I’m probably going to try that again soon, and I’m going to update the notes right now to include ACV.

I’ll put “UPDATE” in front of it so people reading this won’t think that you guys can’t read and they’ll know I added it in!

-O.M.G.


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FunkyStumpfighter

FunkyStumpfighter

Member

March 27th, 2010, 02:43 PM

@OMG- In the clay mixes that I use the ACV in, I typically use something like 3 parts ACV 1 part aloe juice. The pure ACV used to make my scalp more dry than I wanted to deal with, and the aloe seems to take care of this to a decent extent.

If you go this route, dont use aloe gel. The gel makes lumps in the clay that look a lot like cottage cheese, and its a pain smoothing out all these tiny curds after you put it on.

halfempty

halfempty

Member

March 27th, 2010, 03:25 PM

No, I don’t have any other additives in it. Maybe it is the Revita. Who knows lol.
Someone asked me “are you Irish” and I said “Yeah how can you tell?” they replied, “Because you have red hair.” I was like “what!!” It is weird.

lmao

lmao

Member

March 28th, 2010, 12:12 AM

im currently trying this one, now that my scalpure has run out.

http://www.iherb.com/Auromere-Rejuvenating-Mud-Bath-Mask-16-oz-454-g/12742?at=0

its got a mix of clays and herbs, and amla, (indian gooseberry) which has very high vitamin c.  its a bit more expensive, but i think it will be good. amla, has been used for hair benefits by indians for centuries.

NDFAN

NDFAN

Member

March 29th, 2010, 12:22 AM

Hello Everyone,
I purchase my clay from www.mountainroseherbs.com.The quality of their products is outstanding.

OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

Editor

March 29th, 2010, 12:32 AM

Wow, they have a TON of clays: http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/search/search.php?page=1&refine=y&keywords=clay.  By the way, I think I’m trying French green clay next time just to mix it up a little.

-O.M.G.


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NDFAN

NDFAN

Member

March 29th, 2010, 08:53 AM

Dont forget to check out their bulk herbs and oil section. You can easily make your own custom mixture and if you have any questions you can call them. I normally buy bulk and make my own capsules and alcohol extracts. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e095va7iAX0

Nidhogge

Nidhogge

Editor

March 30th, 2010, 01:55 AM

I 100% agree on Mountain Rose Herbs, and endorse them in my “Make your own Herbal Hair Loss Shampoo” at the following link:

http://www.worldhairloss.org/index.php/hairloss/page2-newsarticles/make_your_own_herbal_hair_loss_shampoo

All organic or wild-harvested ingredients for great prices…highly recommend it.

One other thing to consider is mixing Emu Oil with your clay!

BaldbeGone

BaldbeGone

Member

March 30th, 2010, 01:59 AM

Is polysorbate as effective as clay in eliminating sebum and oils from the scalp?


Sure, shit happens...but so does good shit!

Chore Boy

Chore Boy

Journalist

March 30th, 2010, 05:32 PM

Dude, you’re out of control with these videos… haha.  Nice job.

Way better than my videos.  Haha… I suspect I strike a few Buffalo Bill vibes in these videos.  I definitely need a female front for the company.  Not too bad for a $120 HD camcorder, eh?

http://www.youtube.com/user/BudgetPiece?feature=mhw4

OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

Editor

March 30th, 2010, 06:22 PM

You, Chore Boy, need to put this together as a “Featured Contributor” article on this site.  Those are fantastic videos, and there is a SEVERE LACK OF UNDERSTANDING AND TOTAL CONFUSION about hair pieces out there. You should post those videos in that article and highlight differences and cover basically everything from A to Z.

Until you do this, I will leave THIS LINK right here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb3ClNx8Z4Y

Always looking out for you!

-O.M.G.


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Chore Boy

Chore Boy

Journalist

March 30th, 2010, 06:35 PM

I was actually looking for that video the other day…

HD rocks… I’d like to do some MPB tutorials but I have no idea what I’d do other than talk during the videos.  I don’t have the knowledge to assemble complex multimedia like you do.

OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

Editor

March 30th, 2010, 06:41 PM

Do you remember how it was in the best interest for captains of ships to keep the crews ignorant of how to navigate -and in fact, preferred to have crewmen that had zero education and couldn’t even read- as self defense against mutiny?

That is the EXACT OPPOSITE philosophy that I have with this site.  I want EVERYONE to be able to do this sort of stuff, and I actually have a folder already on the internet right now full of every single one of those graphics that others are downloading to use, and I’d be happy to teach you how to do this stuff.

-O.M.G.


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Chore Boy

Chore Boy

Journalist

March 30th, 2010, 07:58 PM

All I really need are some shills… get over there and shed your dignity for me!

OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

Editor

March 31st, 2010, 10:11 AM

BaldbeGone…

Sorry, I missed your question!  I’ve been an avid user of both now for some time, and I think that the answer is that polysorbate 80 concoctions DO NOT remove as much sebum and oil… but I actually like polysorbate 80 BETTER because I’ve never overly dried out my scalp and hair from it.  Also, as you can tell, my hair is longer than average which means it gets into whatever topical you are putting on, and I feel that I can get less polysorbate 80 on the rest of my hair than the clay -which prevents overly dry hair.

From the Summer to Fall 2009, I used clay most of the time.  Starting at the end of last year, I’ve started back using the polysorbate 80 most of the time -and maybe the clay only once a week tops now.  I’ve started mixing a little polysorbate 60 into the mix, too, but I don’t think it really does much extra.  That reminds me that I need to experiment around with that a little more.

In summary, though, yeah… I really like the polysorbate 80 pre-shower topical, and currently I like more and use it more than the clay -but then again maybe the reason I used it so much without a problem in the summer and fall is because this is hot, humid FLORIDA, and it doesn’t dry my scalp out too much during those seasons like it did in the winter.  Just thinking outloud…  and I’ll still use both in my regimen and swap them whenever I feel like I want to do one more than the other.

-O.M.G.


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TK1

Member

March 31st, 2010, 05:42 PM

All bentonite clay is not the same!  some of it is made in alab and has aluminum as a primary ingredient!Probably a good idea to steer clear of cat litter! 

Anyway, thanks john for all your amazing efforts.

Gubter87

Member

March 31st, 2010, 07:56 PM

I actually just made my first batch from cat litter - as I could not find any bentonite in the shops where i live. Though, from what I’ve read, it seems mainly calcium bentonite is used in cat litter.

Though pure bentonite (if there is such a thing) would probably be preferable.

OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

Editor

March 31st, 2010, 08:07 PM

Gubter87…

When you are resting comfortably in your bed tonight, drifting off into sleep…  I want you to thank whatever god that you pray to for just how lucky you are that you are not my FRATERNITY BROTHER!  This would come up at bars, at your wedding -maybe even your FUNERAL!

lol… I’m kidding. wink  That’s a good idea, and it sounds like it’s the same thing.

-O.M.G.


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Gubter87

Member

April 01st, 2010, 02:34 AM

Haha, well I’m definately going to thank god for creating anonymity on the net

pierre

Member

April 04th, 2010, 09:13 AM

Hi John,
nice video about clay, but I fear something about using it.

I mean using clay can cause very very dry hair isn’t it ?
And I don’t think that it is very good for healthy hair to got very dry scalp.
(BTW nice coding for the whole entire website)

OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

Editor

April 04th, 2010, 10:09 AM

Bonjour, Pierre!

Yeah, it can cause a really dry scalp unless you put oils in it, and it can dry your hair, too, but a lot of people actually use this as a SHAMPOO!  So, it won’t overly dry your hair as long as you have some oils in it -or use one of the premade commercial types.

Remind me to send you a container and I’ll send you one mixed with tea tree oil!  You can try it and let us know what you think about it!  I almost could have given you the one I actually made up in “Part II” up there, but I started using it.  I may actually buy and mix in some Neem Oil, too.

I’ve still got a long way on the coding for the site, but thanks for the kudos -I’ll take it!

-O.M.G.


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Nidhogge

Nidhogge

Editor

April 04th, 2010, 02:15 PM

You may get a better consistency out of Emu Oil than Tea Tree, though TTO is a good addition.  However, TTO is estrogenic as well, so it has to be used in small amounts.  Neem Oil is a fantastic idea!

DM5

DM5

Member

April 04th, 2010, 04:25 PM

The study done cited gynocomastia in boys using Tea Tree Oil and Lavendar soap I think.  Lavendar is very Estrogenic.  I think if anything Tea Tree is slightly Anti-Androgenic.  The study was kind of incomplete on that issue and if you research them separately Tea Tree isn’t much; aside from that study, seen as Estrogenic. 

My personal experience using both separately, is that Lavendar will sag you out fast, while tea tree shouldn’t have that effect unless saturating yourself over months time.

Emu Oil is a powerful little Anti-Androgen on the other hand and is supposed to be of benefit for inflammation as well.  Never tried Neem oil.  I think that will also keep mosquitoes away though too(good thing).


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Terrapin Station
The Grateful Dead


Put your lights on
Carlos Santana

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Nidhogge

Nidhogge

Editor

April 04th, 2010, 08:47 PM

DM5—

That’s a good point actually about the TTO.  Neem Oil is supposedly awesome for killing Demodex, and that’s interesting about skeeters as well…I can see that, given Neem’s smell.  Not bad smelling, but it’s definitely a bit strong.

lmao

lmao

Member

April 04th, 2010, 11:46 PM

anyone thought about amla (indian gooseberry) oil

its auyervedic or watever.  u can get the amla hair oil from indian shops, the brand is dabur.  im thinking of trying it since the oil is made specifically for hair.

Nidhogge

Nidhogge

Editor

April 05th, 2010, 09:13 AM

Interesting, I have heard of Amla mentioned elsewhere, can’t pinpoint it though…if you do give it a try, please keep us posted Anxious1!

Calbruin

Member

April 05th, 2010, 11:19 PM

OMG,
Awesome job with the videos man…very informative for anyone trying to get up to speed on things!

halfempty

halfempty

Member

April 06th, 2010, 04:50 PM

“Shake the bejesus out of it. Shake it up.”

OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

Editor

April 06th, 2010, 06:00 PM

Halfempty…

On “Part 1”, use your headphones, turn up the volume, and listen to right at about 5:43 or so.  You’ll understand why I was starting to stammer over some words in the late 5:30’s -I could see BIG TROUBLE brewing back past the camera- and why I have such an expression of relief at 5:49!  I was like “Thank god, it didn’t get worse, bodies weren’t flying, and I think this take is salvageable!”.


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halfempty

halfempty

Member

April 06th, 2010, 11:28 PM

HAHA! I just listened to it with headphones. That sounded like a serious cat fight.

Just to be sure, I wasn’t poking fun of what you said. I didn’t think you were stammering over words or anything.. I just thought that “Shake the bejesus out of it. Shake it up” sounded funny as hell.

OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

Editor

April 07th, 2010, 05:55 PM

Don’t forget, halfempty, that you are talking to a guy that’s sitting on a toilet seat on the main page of his personal site! lol… I *do* possess a sense of humor!


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halfempty

halfempty

Member

April 09th, 2010, 02:51 AM

Valid point OMG, valid point. lol

OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

Editor

April 30th, 2010, 11:59 AM

Just keeping everyone updated, my scalp has actually been CRAVING apple cider vinegar, so I just mixed some into a batch.

As some of you remember, I used to LOVE that stuff.  I used it all the time -right up to the point that I developed a sensitivity to it in terms of smell that I just couldn’t stand it anymore!  I’d use it once, and I could detect it on my sweat for three days! lol…  Anyway, that was about 2005 or so, so it’s been pretty close to five years since then and for whatever reason, the past week or so I’ve really been craving it.

I listen to that stuff, by the way.  So, I went out and got some Braggs ACV.

I mixed it as follows:

-About five ounces of distilled water
-About two ounces of Braggs ACV
-One teaspoon of tea tree oil
-10 squirts of “Pure Mag Oil”
-12 tablespoons of my Aztec bentonite clay.

So, the ACV does have a pretty cool reaction.  A lot of fizzing, etc., and it makes it so you use a good bit more clay in the mixture.  I think it was still completely liquid when I was at the typical eight scoops.

I might actually try a little more ACV next time, because I honestly can’t really smell it.  Maybe that means my intolerance to it is over.  I don’t want to use it too much, though, because I remember that it had a tendency to color my hair a bit red -and since I’m swimming laps again, I don’t want to use anything much that will push it in that direction! lol…

-O.M.G.

PS-  I should mention I made a batch last week with olive oil in it, and I couldn’t stand it.  I think it took about three showers to remove all the greasiness from it, and this may be completely psychosomatic but I thought that I felt less stimulation from LLLT during those days.  So, olive oil isn’t for me.


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sonal

Member

May 01st, 2010, 02:03 PM

Hi, just wanted to understand the point behind the clay- is it just to rid the scalp of excess sebum in general? does it really help directly with DHT control? I am always confused, so many products talk about DHT removal like shampoos and things but i wonder if they can really elminiate dht fromt he scalp, i mean is there scientific evidence that they actually can do that and for how long does the effect last? just wondering the rational behind using this clay and if I need to get behind this.. thanks!

OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

Editor

May 01st, 2010, 02:25 PM

Hey, Sonal!

There is NO credible scientific evidence that clays or anything remove excess DHT from the follicle.  HOWEVER…  there is no company out there that would actually pay to run a test like that.  To make it a “respected” study, it would cost THOUSANDS -and companies/people/scientists just don’t altruistically do studies like that.  They would only do that if they could make money off of it -and since you can find clay in your YARD, they aren’t going to have an exclusive “lock” on the product like it would be if it was a proprietary, patented chemical formula.

So, we don’t know for sure and probably never will -could be, I still doubt it, but it could be that it does!  Such is the nature of “the way things are” in the hair loss world.

Now, sebum contains DHT, and clays, etc. remove sebum -so you can make the leap there that yeah, more DHT is being removed -but is the DHT that is being removed even in a place that makes a difference for hair loss??  Beats me.  I don’t know that.

So, yeah… the reason we use these clays are that it removes the excess sebum -which definitely can exacerbate inflammation- and it also has the probable benefit of making other things that you do (definitely laser therapy) work better.

A lot of people have tried “Scalpure” -and let me be clear, I will enforce the fact that this thread WILL NOT turn into a discussion about that product.  We got “overkill” on it last summer, and I just want to curb that discussion in this article.  However, I spoke to someone a little while ago that adamantly maintains that Scalpure doesn’t overly dry your scalp after long term use like some of the concoctions that we make.  I have no clue if that’s the case, but if it is, it’s worth trying.  I would like to limit Scalpure discussion to just that aspect, though, so if anyone other than Nidhogge has any first hand experience with it, let us know if after a few months use you found it drying at all.

I actually think a dry scalp can be VERY BAD for LLLT.  I think it causes a buildup of energy on the surface, which makes it feel more like a “sunburning” effect that a deep penetrating, relaxing, head pump experience.  That’s why I tend to prefer my polysorbate 80 mixture over the clay -but I still mix them up.

I guess your answer to “Does it really help directly with DHT control?”, though, is probably not, but it could -but it’s helpful in other ways and DHT control isn’t the only factor in hair loss or Propecia would actually be as effective as it was claimed to be in the 1990’s.

-O.M.G.


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Petchsky

Member

May 03rd, 2010, 12:17 PM

Just purchased some betonite clay over the net, i’ll give this a go, thanks for the inspiration

sonal

Member

May 03rd, 2010, 02:39 PM

Ok, I have long hair though so may be a challenge, but I am going to buy a little bentonite clay (or Scalpure) and see if I can get away without drying the scalp and whats left of my locks…will keep you all posted.

gonzalo

gonzalo

Member

May 10th, 2010, 11:24 PM

My mix:

1 part of distilled water
1 part of ACV (organic, not pasteurized)
1 part of Bentonite Clay
Neem Oil

 

OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

Editor

August 09th, 2010, 08:38 PM

I just wanted to update everyone…

I used Saran Wrap around my head with the clay treatment last night, and I think it’s PROBABLY something that we all should be doing.  I’m not sure because I haven’t done it enough but it still seemed to suck out a lot of the gunk, and since the Saran Wrap kept the clay from drying, it probably is a lot less likely to cause the chronic overdrying that some of us have talked about.

I’ll know for sure the more I use it, but at least my initial feeling is that I should have hit myself over the head for not doing it this way sooner!

-O.M.G.


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Peachfuzz

Member

August 12th, 2010, 09:54 PM

When doing a facial mask, “they” suggest steaming your face for 5-10 minutes prior to open up the pores and allow the clay to get in deeper… Any thoughts about this for the scalp treatment?

marb

Member

September 17th, 2012, 03:50 AM

Would vitamin E oil be ok ?

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