Propecia can cause permanent erectile dysfunction

March 21st, 2011, 9:29 am

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By John Christian

Evidence has concluded that Propecia (finasteride) and its generic counterparts should now be considered controversial, potentially harmful drugs.

It’s officially documented: Propecia can cause prolonged sexual side effects as well permanent erectile dysfunction.

Propecia is a controversial drug manufactured by Merck which contains finasteride, a synthetic antiandrogen that inhibits type II 5-alpha reductase, the enzyme that converts testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (DHT).  Finasteride was initially approved by the FDA in 1992 under the name Proscar for treating BPH, and later in 1997 was approved to treat male pattern baldness.

The mechanism of finasteride is that it is an inhibitor of 5-alpha reductase. By blocking this enzyme, finasteride blocks the conversion of testosterone into the more powerful androgen DHT. This reduces androgenic activity in the scalp, treating hair loss at its hormonal source (NOT at the source of hair loss, however).

The study was done by George Washington University School of Medicine, and has been peer reviewed and will appear in the upcoming Journal of Sexual Medicine.

This study joins several other findings that show that the use of finasteride may result in irreversible sexual dysfuncion, such as the December 2008 findings by the Swedish Medical Products agency.

These findings illustrate how Propeciahelp.com and many other individuals that bravely risked ridicule and stuck their necks out about this issue without financial motive were very right to do so -and these findings wouldn’t have been officially looked into if it wasn’t four their outcry.  We now know Propecia has a much higher rate of erectile side effects than previously reported, can cause long term erectile dysfunction even after the drug is stopped, and can lead to permanent erectile dysfunction in others.

Despite negative personal experiences, the editors of this site have attempted to stay neutral regarding the use of this controversial drug due to the fact that its DHT-blocking mechanism for fighting hair loss is at least theoretically based in sound knowledge and research.  However, with these new revelations regarding Propecia, the safety of this drug must be brought to light and taken under heavy consideration.  Any future serious discussion of finasteride for hair loss should include these new findings.

So, use Propecia at your own risk, and knowledge is power.

This article has been reposted from USATODAY.com.

FROM USA TODAY



Sexual side effects from Propecia, Avodart may be irreversible

Drugs frequently prescribed for hair loss have been linked to erectile dysfunction, depression and loss of libido in a review of existing studies.

By Steven Reinberg, HealthDay

Drugs frequently prescribed to treat hair loss or an enlarged prostate may contribute to irreversible sexual dysfunction in men, new research finds.
Use of dutasteride (Avodart) and finasteride (Proscar and Propecia) were linked to erectile dysfunction, depression and loss of libido in a review of existing studies.

In a small percentage of cases, symptoms persisted even after the medication was stopped.

For those men, “it’s a life sentence,” said lead researcher Abdulmaged M. Traish, a professor of biochemistry and urology at Boston University School of Medicine.

“No sex. No desire. Potential depression,” Traish added.

Almost everyone who takes these drugs experiences some of these side effects, Traish said. “But, some experience it more drastically than others,” he added.

The drugs — prescribed to treat a common urological condition called benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) and baldness — work by blocking androgen. In the case of BPH, this helps reduce the enlarged prostate, making urination easier.

But there’s a downside. “We need androgen for erectile function, libido and ejaculation, and for just feeling good,” Traish said.

Noting that increasing numbers of patients report ongoing sexual problems after they stop taking the drugs, Traish said, “That’s where the light should be shined.”

“I am not worried about those who stop taking the drug and get their life back, (my concern is) about those who stop taking the drug, but they don’t get their life back,” Traish said.

The consequences are important in terms of their quality of life, he said.

For the study, published in the March issue of the Journal of Sexual Medicine, Traish’s team searched the available medical literature for reports of sexual side effects associated with finasteride and dutasteride.

About 8% of men taking the drugs reported erectile dysfunction, and 4.2% reported reduced libido, they found, compared with 4% and 1.8% of men receiving placebo, respectively.

Reduced ejaculation and semen volume and depression were also reported by some men, the researchers note.

Traish said doctors need to inform their patients about the potential side effects.

“As a physician you have a responsibility to take the time and explain to your patient that maybe not everyone will have these side effects, but you may, and in some cases they are irreversible,” he said.

He also said alternative medications are available to treat BPH, including alpha-blockers such as Flomax, which work differently in the body. Often these are given in combination with Propecia or Avodart.

Commenting on the study, Dr. Bruce R. Kava, an associate professor of urology at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine, agreed that “these drugs do cause some of these problems.”

That the effects might not be reversible is a concern, he said. “But they haven’t convinced me yet, based on this data, because they don’t have any long-term data,” Kava said.

Most urologists discuss potential side effects with their patients, Kava said. “We don’t usually discuss long-term consequences that are irreversible, because most of us have not been aware of any long-term problems from these drugs,” he said.

 

Note from the editor


I’ve been involved in hair loss forums for many, many years, and I’m actually pretty bitter about this issue.  Why shouldn’t I be -this is about MY HEALTH, I had prolonged sexual side effects after quitting propecia, and I was attacked for saying so.  All of this could have been prevented if there was a much more TRUTHFUL flow of information regarding hair loss treatments.  I’m going to use this opportunity to express my bitterness because I think it will help some people that haven’t had the opportunity to witness this first hand. 

Most veterans have seen it and are knodding their heads: especially at the end of the 1990’s up even into the mid 2000’s, all the [allegedly impartial] hair loss forums at the time were INFESTED with drug reps masquerading as hair loss suffers (or maybe they were drug reps WITH hair loss, it doesn’t matter to me because the outcome is the same -they were drug reps that weren’t interested in a fair discussion).

There was a time when if you mentioned sexual side effects from this drug -not even necessarily PROLONGED sexual side effects- you were systematically target for destruction in those forums, and the next thing you knew, you were being accused of everything from being a witch to some alternative, anti-drug whackadoo.

I’ve stuck my neck out on this issue, I’ve stuck my neck out about how awful minoxidil can be for some people as a treatment, and I’ve done everything I could to blow the confusion about LLLT out of the water -and it’s not like I’ve been an asshole about this, either.  So, when I hear news about long term side effects of Propecia I can’t help feeling some vindication, but I also get angry about how much forums at that time were BAD CITIZENS.

This is a real issue, it has been a real issue for more than a decade, and most other forums were either in denial about it or a part of the problem. Here something for you to chew on:  Do you really think that balding people are so desperate that they would run off and try something that has a one in ten chance of wrecking their sex life for YEARS after they stop it (perhaps permanently)?  Of course they wouldn’t -yet, people are clueless about this information. 

Well, people TRIED to bring out this information about Propecia.  People have TRIED to point out that minox is a big, fat waste of time for many people.  People have TRIED to eliminate the confustion around LLLT and show you how it can be realistically one of the best hair loss treatments out there.  Although the “climate” is getting better, this information is NOT RESONATING at other places on the internet. 

So, going forward, make sure you understand that people have been lying to you about this for years, and no one but YOU is suffering because of it.  Keep your eyes open out there because forums sometimes aren’t what they seem (or, based on all the advertisements in some of them… maybe they ARE what they seem, but people just don’t think about it).

-John Christian (O.M.G.)

This article was re-posted from USA TODAY by John Christian, a.k.a. “OverMachoGrande”.  John Christian is a pioneer of Do-it-yourself Laser Therapy, the creator of the “Laser Messiah” laser helmet, and a long time consumer advocate for hair loss.


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Immortal Hair

Immortal Hair

Editor

March 21st, 2011, 03:36 PM

I agree with OMG, and I have seen a significant number of people who have experienced sustained, serious sexual side-effects from Propecia (finasteride).

Also, this drug is documented to increase incidence of anxiety and depression.

Here is just the latest reference regarding this issue.

J Cosmet Dermatol. 2010 Dec;9(4):331-2. doi: 10.1111/j.1473-2165.2010.00533.x.
Finasteride-induced depression: new insights into possible pathomechanisms.
Römer B, Gass P.

Central Institute of Mental Health, University of Heidelberg, Mannheim, Germany. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

5-alpha-reductase is involved as a rate-imitating enzyme in the metabolism of steroids. Several 5-alpha-reduced steroids such as dihydrotestosterone, allopregnanolone or tetrahydrocorticosterone have neurotrophic, neuroprotective, and anxiolytic properties. Reduced 5-alpha-reductase activity has been observed during depressive illness in humans. Finasteride inhibits 5-alpha-reductase and can robustly induce anxious and depressive behaviors in rodents. In humans finasteride treatment has been linked to an increase of depressive symptoms. A recent study reported that finasteride treatment inhibits hippocampal neurogenesis in mice. As hippocampal neurogenesis has been linked to emotional behavior, this could be of possible relevance for the pathophysiology of affective disorders. Further studies are needed to evaluate potential neuropsychiatric side effects of finasteride treatment in humans.

I should also point out, that the long-term side-effects with this drug may present even more concern than sexual side effects, depression or anxiety; Propecia may lead to increased susceptibilities to neurodegenerative diseases, due to the mechanism involved with the drug.

In fact, this probably can be easily surmised in the above study; the key words are “finasteride treatment inhibits hippocampal neurogenesis in mice”

In English, that means that Propecia reduces the creation of new brain circuitry.


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The Zix Creator

The Zix Creator

Editor

March 21st, 2011, 10:39 PM

It’s a great article and long overdo in the hair loss community. In my career as an RN I’ve come to realize that drug companies routinely lie about the percentage of people who experience a certain side effect. I once worked with a physician who advised to multiply the percentage of people that are suppose to suffer a particular side effect by a factor of TEN! If a drug company says someone will suffer a certain side 5% of the time, figure the real percentage to be more like 50%.

On another note this information is not at all unexpected and follows a typical pattern that drug companies follow. In a sense OMG the drug companies actually want you to put articles like this one out there for people to read. Once a drug goes off patent (as in the case of propecia) the real truth of the drug begins to come out. This is all part of big pharma’s plan. They need to demonize the old drug so physicians and patients will want the next drug. The process goes on and on with the object of the game being to sell the new more expensive drugs. Get ready for some new drug to come out to treat MPB in the next 5 years.

Does anyone remember the drug Seldane? It was an antihistamine that just about every allergy sufferer on the planet was taking. Then the patent was close to running out so presto…..suddenly anyone who took Seldane at the same time they took erythromycin could wake up in the morning DEAD! Did it really take them 10 years to figure that out? Next thing you know Seldane was off the market….but no matter there was a new drug now called Claritin. So the game goes on and on.

Bottom line: I don’t trust a damn thing the drug companies or the government tell me.

jads

Member

March 22nd, 2011, 04:55 AM

“This is all part of big pharma’s plan. They need to demonize the old drug so physicians and patients will want the next drug.”

Totally agree with this.

Drug testing trials are routinely manipulated to skew the results towards the positive. Some research articles supposedly written by ‘experts’ discussing the science are actually authored by drug company marketing departments and completely biased. Side effects are played down and people go uninformed. It’s shameful. OMG, I am with you on this one. It makes me angry.

According to the great documentary Foodmatters, over 100,000 americans die of adverse reactions to drugs, taken as prescribed, EACH YEAR. 

I am glad that I experienced the negative effects of propecia early so I could quit early and never look back.

The Zix Creator

The Zix Creator

Editor

March 22nd, 2011, 05:06 AM

Have you ever considererd the misfortune of losing our hair early in life may end up being the best thing that ever happened to us? Having this problem early makes us aware of how full of shit the entire system of medicine is. Knowing this fact will pay big dividends as we age.

Runz

Member

March 23rd, 2011, 09:18 PM

I never had any sexual sides with Propecia.  However, I noticed that once I started getting regrowth and my hair starting looking good, I would begin experiencing anxiety, poor sleep and horrible brain fog!  I had no motivation and was a zombie.  It got to a point where I was late for work every day; made a bunch of mistakes at work; and was horrible talking to girls on weekends.  It was a deal with the devil- wanted to keep the hair to get young girls and ended up being a social mess.  Hope Merck has their check book handy!

The Zix Creator

The Zix Creator

Editor

March 24th, 2011, 06:35 AM

Yea I had a similar type experience. I felt angry all the time and was short tempered. With discipline I could hide this feeling but the pounding headaches I got from the drug were more than I could handle. I took months after stopping the drug for those to go away.

In some ways I think that drug permanently screwed me up though. It permanently seemed to change my personality to a degree. I just am not as patient as i used to be. Could be just old age though. Who knows.

OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

Editor

March 24th, 2011, 04:47 PM

I just want you to know that I’ve been sent multiple emails linking to Dr. Rassman or whatever-his-name-is’s and an “ANONYMOUS READER of BaldingBlog’s” response to this damning report on Propecia.  I’m sorry, but if someone is thinking about reposting that here, don’t bother… it’s nothing but spin-doctoring and more people trying to tell us that we -the victims, the independent researchers, and the people reporting the findings- don’t know what we are talking about, we’re too dumb to get it, and simply just aren’t capable of interpreting this data ourselves.

Here are my thoughts.  He may be a good surgeon -I actually have no idea… I’ve never actually seen one review- but I’ve been EXTREMELY unimpressed with Dr. Rassman’s knowledge on hair loss, I think his balding blog has always been at least five years behind what’s going on, and frankly I think most “newbies” that have spent as little as 100 hours studying hair loss on the internet would have far more practical knowledge about treatments and fighting hair loss than he shows.  I’m sure he’s a nice guy, and that was just my opinion, of course -and maybe five years from now in 2016, once he has caught up to 2011, he’ll all of a sudden make a “blog” (is that term still used?) that says “Hey guys, Propecia can cause permanent erectile dysfunction!”

I could take the time to go LINE BY LINE through his Rassman’s/Anonymous Poster’s response, just like I have done before with some of the other responses on that site.  But you know what?  I’m sick of WASTING MY TIME doing stuff like that.  This is obvious what is going on.

...And a word about the “longtime reader that wishes to remain anonymous” that wrote that splendid summary.  Isn’t that ALWAYS how it’s been with the people that defend Propecia?  Isn’t it always just some anonymous dude on a forum somewhere that comes out of the woodwork, bombards people with all sorts of “I’m more qualified than you” nonsense -and USUALLY SUCCEEDS IN DROWNING OUT AND SILENCING THE DISCUSSION??  Next thing you know, the thread is gone or you’re insulted by so many other anonymous people that have joined in that you give up?

I’m sorry, folks… the fish just ain’t biting like they used to, and I trust the data that is coming out NOW a lot more than the blatant cover-ups that were going on before.

Hey, I’m just a poor, uneducated rube, though, right?  smile  What do I know?!


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OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

Editor

March 24th, 2011, 05:20 PM

By the way, I should go ahead and put this link here: http://www.worldhairloss.org/index.php/forums/viewthread/558/#4695

I may do a full article on this one day, but this is what someone got with the Freedom of Information Act in 1998 about the Propecia FDA trials, and it gives some good insight to… well, EVERYTHING that you need to know about Merck, the FDA, the controversial history of Propecia, etc.

Here is a taste:

Thus the fact that the dosage has been set by the manufacturer at a level far larger than the level measured as necessary for the main function, has not been reported publicly. Yet, the vastly lower dosages, reported in the data submitted to the FDA, would be expected to reduce the chance of side effects.

-O.M.G.


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The Zix Creator

The Zix Creator

Editor

March 24th, 2011, 05:39 PM

Another point a lot of people don’t realize is almost all hairloss sites make money off of the sale of propecia. They may not directly sell the stuff but they provide links to a supplier. However when the visitor clicks on the link and orders propecia the site owner earns a commission.

This is one of the reasons why negative comments about the drug seem to always end up being suppressed. The site owner loses money when too many posters put up negative comments regarding the side effect profile of fin. The reverse occurs with products a site owner doesn’t make money on. Products like Zix or laser helmets. Site owners simply don’t want dialog regarding products like these because it takes revenue that would otherwise have been spent on crap like propecia.

I once had a thread on one of the forums that must have had at least 30 positive testimonials regarding zix. The thread had like 247 different posts many of which were me answering questions about the treatment. Then one day I did a search for that old thread and found out it had disappeared. I then did some more investigating and found that most of the threads that were postive about zix were also gone and the only threads that remained were the ones that were basically negative.

I never did investigate if any “negative” threads regarding propecia ever vanished….but it wouldn’t surprise me!

jads

Member

March 24th, 2011, 09:58 PM

As a side note. A lot of smart guys here already know that Finasteride has a long half life, anywhere from 4 - 12 hours. Half a tablet every 2- 3 days is sufficient enough to lower DHT in the scalp.

The reason many people, myself included, crashed on Finasteride (brain fog, fatigue, poor job performance) is that one pill a day, as prescribed, suppresses serum DHT far more than is actually necessary, which then has the affect of lowering your circulating cortisol levels quite drastically.  When cortisol levels crash, brain fog and sleepiness is not far behind.

It is discussed in much more detail over in the All Things Male forum but once I read and understood this mechanism, and taking into account other health factors at the time, it makes perfect sense as to why Fin was a disaster for me - as it has been for others.

OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

Editor

March 25th, 2011, 10:01 AM

In full honesty and disclosure, however -and I say this in emails all the time- I’m probably stupid enought to still be taking Propecia if I didn’t have awful side effects!

Ha ha ha!

Isn’t that the messed up truth of fighting hair loss? smile  You guys that have quit Propecia that *didn’t* feel the sexual side effects are a lot smarter than I am!

Do you know why I never experienced the “brain fog”??  Because there is NOTHING that will make your brain sharper than having your penis fail when you need it!  Boy, you’re all of a sudden mentally aware about every single thing in the universe!

Thank you ladies and germs!  Take my wife, please!  Actually, my wife is hot so I’ll keep her.


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The Zix Creator

The Zix Creator

Editor

March 25th, 2011, 11:08 AM

I would not have quit it either if it were not for side effects. But I would never recommend it to my kids to take either.

OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

Editor

March 25th, 2011, 11:10 AM

True dat!  Of course, MY KIDS will start a laser helmet at puberty, so this will be a moot point!


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Nidhogge

Nidhogge

Editor

March 25th, 2011, 11:48 AM

Before I really understood much about hair loss a few years ago, the first thing I turned to was Propecia.  I was on it for exactly 6 months, and swore it off after that.  Did it reduce my shedding?

YES.

Will it reduce everybody’s shedding?

NO.

If your primary hair loss reason is hormonal as opposed to related to stress (cortisol), thyroid, adrenal fatigue, blood pressure, etc. sure—it can help.  But, at what cost?

I’ve never had depression throughout my life; I manage stress well, work out regularly, and eat healthy.  A few months into Propecia usage, my emotions were flaring up, particularly “sad” feelings and that was the first sign that things weren’t right.  Second, my libido (sex drive) was significantly fading.  DHT is a VERY important hormone, and is necessary for good health.  The issue with Propecia is that it doesn’t work as an adaptogen (an adaptogen works WITH your body to restore homeostasis), but as any other drug—it forces levels down to some undetermined level.  So, logic dictates that if we’re monkeying around with something very complex like our body’s hormone levels with a man-made drug, then the body will be affected in other ways beside the primary reason for using the drug (hair loss assistance).  Finally, I wound up with a case of gynocomestia by the time the 5th month rolled around that progressively got worse throughout the 6th month.  That was the final straw, and I swore it off after that.

Since that time, I jumped on the Immortal Hair regimen (http://www.ImmortalHair.org), and since working with Immortal Hair to come up with a hair loss-personalized version of this regimen, have been using that (http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/t4310-immortal-hair-supplement-line-now-available-pricing-information).  In addition, Kombucha Tea on an empty stomach in the morning is a great way to boost probiotics without consuming dairy, while also getting a load of natural B vitamins, vitamins, nutrients, and so forth.

Point being—Propecia doesn’t solve the problem, and like anything in allopathic medicine, it affects the effect and not the cause of the problem to begin with; a body that isn’t getting what it needs to effectively manage itself.

Gubter87

Member

April 01st, 2011, 06:03 AM

I think you guys are exageratting the significance of this study. It is not telling us anything new or anything whatsoever that we don’t already know.
It says:
“Study limitations include a post hoc approach, selection bias, recall bias for before finasteride data, and no serum hormone levels.”

In my opinion these limitations are in fact extremely limiting when it comes to being able to draw any definitive conclusions from this study.
In fact, the only conclusion we can draw from it is that some people claim to be suffering from permanent side effects after using propecia. That’s it - the only difference here is that they have told a scientist about it who wrote a study on it.

Don’t get me wrong - I’m not a fan of finasteride. I do believe it can cause permanent side effects in an extreme minority of users and I also believe that it can cause other side effects that are not yet documented.
But for me it’s also the one thing actually showing any significant effect in treating my hair loss.

OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

Editor

April 01st, 2011, 11:40 AM

It is not telling us anything new or anything whatsoever that we don’t already know.

The key in that sentence is “WE” -yeah, WE know this.  You, me, the people at this forum, the people at ImmortalHair.org, and the people at PropeciaHelp.com.  Anyone that’s spent any time in those forums knows that Propecia’s sexual side effects are well past the reported level by Merck/the FDA -and that they last long after the drug is quit.  The rest of the world, however, including most doctors that prescribe this DO NOT know this.

The fact that this information is becoming mainstream and picked up and seriously looked into by major medical establishments -despite all the attempts to silence it over the past decade (and criticizing the people that do discuss it)- is what the news is here.  There is an increasing outcry over permanent side effects (something I can easily accept because of my personal experiences) by many doctors that wouldn’t ordinarily have gotten involved in this.

THAT is the significance.

-O.M.G.


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Gubter87

Member

April 01st, 2011, 12:21 PM

I agree with you that it’s nothing but positive that this issue gets the attention it deserves and that these, so far, anecdotal side effects are seriously looked into. Then we might once and for all get the answer as to wether finasteride actually caused these people to experience these side effects and if so what might be able to be done to reverse the damage caused.

I was merely reacting towards the fact that it seemed you guys were trying to make it out that this was final proof that finasteride DOES cause permanent or long-lasting side effects. While it is in fact not.

For instance the first sentece in your article:

“It’s officially documented: Propecia can cause prolonged sexual side effects as well permanent erectile dysfunction”

In fact the only thing that has been documented is that people are of the opinion that they are experiencing sexual side-effects after using propecia. And that has already been done on online forums for ages.

But hopefully the fact that it will now get published will add the extra fuel to the fire to finally get this investigated fully. Which I actually believe is crazy that is has not already happened after all the outcries that have been made.

Nidhogge

Nidhogge

Editor

April 03rd, 2011, 11:35 AM

Gubter—

I don’t find it crazy at all.  Merck is a multi-billion dollar company that buys off parts of the government, and is one of the top advertisers for the media.  The influence that they wield is immense.  With that sort of money, you can keep things as quiet as you want them to be.  Fact of the matter is—you don’t go messing with the endocrine system and your body’s hormones; to this day, doctors have no true idea how the body completely works.  It’s far too complex, and hair loss itself is far more complex than DHT-inhibition.

The Zix Creator

The Zix Creator

Editor

April 05th, 2011, 01:31 PM

Some other points about drug companies. Now that propecia has gone generic Merck really doesn’t give a damn about the bad news coming out. They no longer make much in sales because people buy the generic form. Even if the doc orders “Propecia” chances are the patients insurance company will automatically substitute finasteride. This is when you really start to hear about the downside to a drug. Merck knows that these type of things are very very hard to prove in a court of law. So factored in the original price is a small percentage for legal fees.

Another misconception about drug companies is that they charge such a high price for a new drug because of the research and development costs. In reality drug companies actually spend more money on marketing drugs than they do on research and development.

Another problem is that the drug companies advertise heavily on TV. Yet if you notice a lot of times the ads state possible side effects that are so bad many people would never touch the drug. So why do they run ads like this? The reason they run these ads is because they are in a sense “buying off” the networks. By being a huge sponsor of the networks they dramatically reduce the negative news stories that a network will run about drug companies. If you run too many negative stories about drug companies they will pull their ads off the network.

galenweaver

Member

April 06th, 2011, 10:28 PM

I sadly feel I am one of these people. I used Fenasterid for about a month and after about 2 weeks noticed my lack of desire to have sex alarming. Never in my life have I been indifferent about having sex but this was the case when I was on the drug. This was very out of my character and I joked to my wife I finally knew how she felt about not wanting to have sex some nights. Very phsychologially troubling perspective. I also noticed that I would be a bit less “erect” which was also strange. Once I put two and two together I immediately stopped taking the drug and things went back to 80% of normal after about a month. I still don’t feel I am at 100% but it is such a hard thing to judge that you often doubt yourself. I warn everyone who I talk to about it and warn them of what happened to me. They claim a small percentage of these side effects but it seems to be a much larger group. ON the good news I have been using my laser helmet (thanks to OMG) for about 9 months and I feel I am starting to see a difference. I do need to start other regiments and it has been hard to be consistent with the helmet a lot since I travel for work and it’s not the kind of thing you can put in your carry bag. Best of luck to anyone else who has had issue is Propecia. Cheers.

OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

Editor

April 21st, 2011, 01:59 PM

I thought I’d repost this email from propeciahelp.com.  It seems a local CBS affiliate wants to do a story on this.

All,

This is Mew, Administrator of Propeciahelp.com

I have been contacted by Meghan Dwyer of CBS News. They are looking to do a TV news story on men in Chicago suffering from persistent Propecia side effects, which will air in early May on CBS.

IF YOU LIVE IN OR NEAR CHICAGO / NORTHWEST INDIANA AND ARE WILLING TO GO ON CAMERA TO TELL YOUR STORY, PLEASE CONTACT MEGHAN AT .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) or 312-899-2250.
YOUR PRIVACY WILL BE PROTECTED AS THEY ARE WILLING TO BLACK OUT FACES/CHANGE NAMES/ALTER YOUR VOICE.
Time is of the essence as this story will air in the next week or so. Below is what she wrote to me, and how to get in touch.

Thx

Mew

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EMAIL SENT TO ME FROM MEGHAN DWYER AT CBS NEWS:

“We are looking to interview men from Chicago who have experience taking Propecia and experiencing adverse side effects. We will be interviewing men who have taken the drug and are experiencing sexual side effects even after stopping the medication…and we also plan to interview medical experts.

The story is a broadcast story, and will be aired sometime in May. The interview would need to take place near Chicago on-camera and we are really just interested in men that live near to Chicago (or Northwest Indiana). Privacy can certainly be protected – we are willing to black out faces/change names/alter the interviewees voices.

People may contact me via this email address ( .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ) or by calling 312-899-2250. The story will air in the next week or so, so getting in touch with us ASAP is important.

Thanks so much and let me know if you have anyone in mind.”


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lmao

Member

June 23rd, 2011, 11:17 PM

‘I would not have quit it either if it were not for side effects. But I would never recommend it to my kids to take either.’

Rassmans (approx) 20 yr old son is on it, reccomended by his father.  Hes said it many times.  I guess different people have different views on risk vs benefit.

Nidhogge

Nidhogge

Editor

June 24th, 2011, 04:22 PM

Rassman ain’t the brightest bulb on the tree, neither.  He capitalizes on his “doctor” status to build up his image and bank account, but the dude does absolutely no original research that I know of, and only recommends “FDA-approved” garbage, as if the FDA is anything but a bunch of monkeys.  I’m sure his son will thank him for the erectile dysfunction down the road!

Thicket

Member

November 22nd, 2011, 11:16 PM

I’ve been on Propecia, now generic Finasteride, for about four years. there is no doubt that it originally affected my libido and has decreased amount of ejaculate. But I have all the kids I want and my sex life is fine, though I’m not tearing clothes off women every minute.  So if I wanted to decrease the amount of the drug I take but continue to some degree (It has been very effective for me), how much do people think I could reduce the dosage? Jads, you mentioned half a tablet every two days. Half a Propecia tablet? Generic Finasteride? Proscar? Any advice would be appreciated!

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