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Dr. John Crisler: “I’ve had so many patients come to me and say that [finasteride] has destroyed their life.  The problem is when they go off the drug, the symptoms remain.”

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Submitted by OverMachoGrande, January 08th, 2010, 1:04 am

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Story/Article referenced: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEGCTMtlgoc [Please read.]

So if you needed something to scare you this morning…


We all know that Propecia does NOT do this with the majority of people by any stretch of the imagination, however…  What’s really interesting about this is that video touches on something that I have experienced personally, and seen many times throughout the years in hair loss forums.  You take the drug, you get BAD sexual side effects, but the side effects remain after you quit the drug -sometimes even for years.

Here is where it gets REALLY personal to me… my first forum experiences where in the mid to late 90’s, and my first posts were about this exact problem.  I was first told that the problem was imaginary, and then IMMEDIATELY called an apparent unethical shill that must have an agenda to promote other products! lol…  See, back then, the world of hair loss was controlled very much by the big drug companies like Merck, and yeah, I’ve seen evidence that there were actual pharmaceutical reps controlling the discussion.

Translation:  The people calling me a shill… were SHILLS!  lol…  That’s the way it happens quite a bit, and frankly I don’t think I’d be so vehemently against people that do this if it weren’t for all of my experiences with them on hair loss forums.

We’ve said it before… never trust who you are talking to on a forum unless you know what they are saying to be true for yourself, they have a track record of being unbiased and ethical, and you have some knowledge of the subject.  We all win that way!

Now this part is FUNNY, though!  There is a guy named “Major Sixth” that has personally attacked me (by NAME CALLING! lol…) on HairLossHelp.com.  Literally for no reason -I even have been nice to him in the past, and then I get sent a dozen emails saying “Hey, OMG… this guy really likes to insult you and trash you for some reason”.  Well, When I was scanning for this video for this post, I ran accross the thread here: http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=10&threadid=84859.

Here is a post from him:

 

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Holy moley! What?!  Talk about something that is contrarian to the ideals of this site!

First of all, the statement “It really is boring listening to the countless accounts of how propecia as ruined lifes.” is just flabergasting.  That’s not what is absolutely absurd, though… it’s his opinion that PATIENTS must be made to sign WAVERS, and if they complain about [potentially UNNANOUNCED] side-effects like what Dr. Crisler is talking about, MERCK COULD SUE THE PATIENT IF THEY SPEAK ABOUT IT!!!  WHAT?! Oh my god… I’m pretty sure that is NOT what is in the best interest for us as a consumer!

Not everyone is savvy with all of the information put forth in this forum, so many people simply follow their doctor’s advice -who may be clueless about this with reason:  Nowhere on the label does it say that you may have any symptoms like the ones being discussed in the video, and I doubt the Merck pharmaceutical reps say “Oh, by the way, Doc… this product may be giving people lifelong side-effects not admitted by the company at this point in time”.  So, most doctors or patients WOULDN’T KNOW about this.  But according to this clown, we are supposed to just shut up and not “MOAN” about it if it does give us these side effects, and be forced into silence about them under threat of lawsuit (even though the side-effects being discussed aren’t on the label). 

Remember one of the major commandments of this site is that you need to train yourself to look beyond what strange-acting people are saying.  When you see examples of things like this, ask yourself this:  Who would have a viewpoint like this?  ...And is it a coincidence that it just happens to be a guy that attacks me because of my previous consumer advocate work in LLLT??  Maybe, maybe not… but it sure is odd.

That post is so telling… and frankly, the unsolicited insults against me make a little bit of sense now, don’t they.  It’s *ALWAYS* the case… the people that have always attacked me the most vocally are the ones that have some sort of agenda like this -whether it’s Propecia, Minoxidil, other laser companies, etc.  This poster guy is definitely on the “Asswipe List”, if not the “Shill Watch” list.  Be warned that there is a “prolific poster” on the forums that has so little regard for consumer protection -and at the very least, if he’s not a shill, he has a bizarre relationship with finasteride that is causing his posting to be extremely skewed.

...And THANK GOD for THIS SITE!

Anyway, back on topic, Propecia does this to only a minority of people… but this is very real (yeah, jerks from the 90’s… it’s REAL!).  You should take this info and use it when you make your decisions about what treatments to use.

-O.M.G.


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OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

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January 09th, 2010, 02:13 PM

Ok, I’ll delete this post later, but let’s all post real comments here!

I wanted to say that it’s a known bug right now that the email notifications that you get when when someone posts a comment in a weblog you are subscribed to will say “{weblog_name}” near the top.  Yeah, that’s a field that needs to be updated to “{channel_name}”, and it isn’t anything that I can change easily.

So, that will be fixed soon!  Also, we can edit posts via AJAX right here in the thread, but I sent you special instructions on how to completely delete them.  Soon, there will be a delete function here, too, as soon as they come up with one.

Also, that’s about all the info I can manifest in the left part: our avatar and our title.  There isn’t much else I can bring into these comment fields.  Comments are meant to be simple, I guess!

Ok, enjoy! ...And post away!


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OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

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January 09th, 2010, 03:45 PM

Test just to show the pretty color change!  lol…

I really want the forums to do this, too (blue to yellow), but they don’t have that function developed yet.  There could be a java based solution, but I’m not going to spend the time on it yet!

All in all… the beta version of this site’s formatting will slowly evolve over time, and it’ll get better and better looking.  I had to literally program in every element of everything you see, so it’ll be a while before I get everything “perfect”!  I just wanted it to WORK first!


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Nidhogge

Nidhogge

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January 09th, 2010, 07:27 PM

Dr. Crisler certainly echoes my sentiments and what I’ve been telling others for quite a while now both online and in the real world.  My personal experience with Finasteride was approximately six months, and I do believe that it greatly reduced my hair loss during my tenure.  However, there comes a point where we have to ask ourselves—how much of our personal health are we willing to risk for temporary vanity?

I lost my libido (sex drive) during that time, I’d get bouts of lethargy on occasion, and emotionally I wasn’t responding to life’s challenges as I usually would (depression, sorrow, uneasiness, etc.).  Our hormones define who we are, right down to our gender.  When you begin to tamper with that system, a system that modern science still has a LONG way to understanding, then you’d best be prepared for the worst, and hope for the best.

Since going off of Finasteride and on the ImmortalHair.org regimen and a more hair-friendly (healthy) diet, I’ve been able to reduce my hair loss yet again to non-MPB levels.  It’s a constant battle, but there isn’t just one magic pill out there that will ever “cure” your MPB or its symptoms.  It’s just the nature of the beast.

Immortal Hair

Immortal Hair

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January 09th, 2010, 07:44 PM

Many wonder what the difference is between pharmaceutical based suppression of 5-alpha reductase (DHT) and nutraceutical based inhibition.

Finasteride (Propecia) decreases the expression of the SRD5A2 gene, that is Steroid 5-{alpha}-reductase type 2. Usually when this gene is under expressed from birth male pseudohermaphroditism can result.

Natural botanical phenolics (plant-based antioxidants) inhibit 5-alpha reductase by interacting with the NADPH binding site. This is basically via oxidation-reduction to protect against free radicals, a completely natural process.

Finasteride on the other hand, forces an enzyme reduction, while plant phenolics perform natural inhbition by a reductive process which is a healthy pathway of scavenging free-radicals. Also finasteride and dutasteride for that matter cause an unnaturally long suppression of the gene. It’s not physiologically natural in anyway.


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jdp710

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January 10th, 2010, 03:14 AM

Man, I just got done skimming part of a thread on another forum where some were attacking Dr. Crisler.  They all say pretty much the same thing ... that most of the side effects that people are reporting must have come from something other than fin.

mj

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April 06th, 2010, 10:11 AM

While I appreciate all of you for your knowledge on natural methods, I’ve used propecia and avodart over the years and have had no bad effects from either drug…but that is not to say that some people won’t.  I think that it is great that all of you are able to voice and defend this notion as these side effects can be very real and consumers need to be educated.  Still, my advice to new hair loss sufferers still remains to start with propecia or avodart and see what happens. These drugs are not miracle workers, but they are effective for many people.  I’ve started and stopped these medications because I feared the negative effects of long term use…but the reality is, they are the only methods that have helped my hair loss, and I have tried nearly everything out there…some natural methods have helped a little…especially lasers….but nothing as well as the medications.


Tried a lot of things, never stuck with anything. Don’t do that

OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

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April 06th, 2010, 10:17 AM

Hey, MJ!

FYI… as soon as I get the code hammered down to embed videos directly into the forums, I’m going to eliminate this section (even though it’s cool looking) and make a “Multimedia Only” section of the forum.

I’m going to move this video over there, and I’ll PROBABLY use the magic admin powers to cut and paste all of the comments over there under all of the appropriate user names, but if I don’t do that and all of a sudden your comment disappears, it’s not a conspiracy! 

-O.M.G.


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mj

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April 06th, 2010, 10:18 AM

actually, I don’t think you could label lasers as a natural method….so let me make that correction…but some natural supplements have helped as I continue to use them in my regime…but just to be clear, I appreciate all of you for your knowledge and efforts…you’re truly a great resource.


Tried a lot of things, never stuck with anything. Don’t do that

mj

Member

April 06th, 2010, 10:19 AM

cool with me…thanks OMG


Tried a lot of things, never stuck with anything. Don’t do that

OverMachoGrande

OverMachoGrande

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April 06th, 2010, 10:25 AM

You bring up a FANTASTIC point for debate, though… are lasers “NATURAL”?!  I can see arguments for each side, and I probably lean towards yes because it’s using a concentrated amount of the beneficial spectrum of naturally occuring light, and it’s simply causing your body to do more of the things that it does already (not introducing foreign substances, etc.).

The arguments against it being considered natural are fairly obvious, but anyway, I suppose it doesn’t technically matter for people that are interested in simply growing their own hair, but there you go!

-O.M.G.


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jads

Member

July 27th, 2010, 07:00 AM

OMG et al,  I took .5-1mg of propecia for 8 weeks or more and it knocked me around. Whether or not I had to tough it out a while longer in order for my hormones and body to normalise is beside the point, I almost quit (or lost) my job due to at times debilitating malaise and lethargy!! 

For ME it was awful. It wasn’t until I started finding anecdotal evidence of similar symptoms in others that I realised and went cold turkey - and I’m glad I did!

Oh, and I’ve had problems with my endocrine system, so its not hard to join the dots.

Jads

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